New Official Flavor Process Issues (Was Re: Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix packages)

[Joshua Peisach]

Jeremy,

UCR has been around for 3 years. Plan since day 0, when I went on discourse and brought up the idea was flavor.

There have been reasons I've been so hesitant to reach out - these dang barriers. Again, for you and current devs it doesn't matter but for community members it is essentially impossible to move forward.

"Escalation" - I've wanted to apply for PPU status to get my packages into universe but other roadblocks keeps popping up. For example, the Debian cinnamon maintainer left Debian and me and Fabio fantoni as aforementioned, we both deserve rights but we don't get that. The only escalation that has been happening is that Erich decided to help me and upload the ubuntucinnamon-* packages to universe. But the directions are still unclear as to what to do. Should a germinate seed be in Launchpad before or after applying to flavor status? When it says "one or more developer with upload rights" what does the at mean? You already have upload rights. I don't.

And to say that "oh we are using the community council and you're being unfair to the TB", we are just trying to figure out what we are supposed to do.

You could say "oh just apply for status" but trying to find those places of contribution can be difficult and it feels very rare to see someone new come in and get their dev membership nowadays, especially one who isn't already a member.

And to top it off, make requests for improvements individually? Currently I am silenced. Nobody cares if I say a thing; in general, I get ghosted anyways or treated as if I'm dumb. To many, my input doesn't matter and if I were to email TB right now they would probably not respond, or not even let my email go through the mailing list.

I know I sound very harsh - but check my application page. And look at Ubuntu Cinnamon and Unity and their community. If you want to make a distro where we embrace community, put your company paychecks aside and make it happen. We want this. The community wants this. And we aren't letting this stop us and we will not be silenced.

If you truly believe that I need to be a core dev, then you are saying any community member who wants to create a flavor needs to spend YEARS getting to that high of privilege. And that is not community friendly at all. I am a student, and I'm going to a magnet school in September (a CS school might I add). School is going to get more intense and I'm not going to be spending 6 hours a day on Ubuntu development.

Again, to you this is hard to understand because you already **have** the upload rights.

Truly, with honesty,
-Josh
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From: Jeremy Bicha <jeremy.bicha at canonical.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 10:20
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Subject: Re: New Official Flavor Process Issues (Was Re: Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix packages)

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 9:55 AM <eeickmeyer at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> This most certainly is not a hasty escalation. I've been aware of
> Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix for 3 years and in that time, Joshua's intention
> was to make it an official flavor. They have been encouraged to become
> an official flavor since Day 0.

The escalation from my perspective is that it appears to me like y'all
made a request to become an official flavor on Saturday, got a reply
on Sunday, and then invoked the authority of the Ubuntu Community
Council on Wednesday. I don't think that's being fair to the Tech
Board.

You can make requests for improvement as an individual developer
without needing to speak on behalf of the Community Council.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bicha
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