TB: Urgent Escalation of DMB Member Removal / New Vote Decision due to DMB Stalemate

[Simon Quigley]

Hello,

+1 to this. I'd like to participate how I can in the DMB for the rest of my term. For the time being, until I am substantially more active again, I do not plan on running for re-election.

Also, hi. I'm alive. Mostly lurking, but alive. 

Thanks.

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Simon Quigley
tsimonq2 at ubuntu.com

On Feb 8, 2022, 6:56 AM, at 6:56 AM, Dimitri John Ledkov <dimitri.ledkov at canonical.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Are expiry dates listed on
>https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members correct?
>And does it mean that even without expiry of any current members
>through inactivity, we will be having a full election of all DMB
>members in May?
>If that is the case, is there any need to run an election for a couple
>of places, given that all seats are up for reelection relatively soon
>anyway?
>
>Then all elected board members can be enforced with the expiry rules
>as written and previously agreed.
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>
>Dimitri.
>
>On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:34 PM Thomas Ward <teward at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>> Technical Board:
>>
>> During the Developer Membership Board meeting today[1], there was an
>action item / discussion item regarding the removal of two DMB members
>who have been inactive for an extended period of time.  Unfortunately,
>there was an increased amount of argument and disagreement by members
>in attendance over how to execute this policy.
>>
>> In August of 2021, the DMB proposed [2] and then in November approved
>[3] a requirement for DMB members as follows:
>>
>> > Any DMB member who fails to attend 6 consecutive scheduled DMB
>meetings (during a period no shorter than 12 weeks) shall be considered
>inactive and removed from membership in the DMB. Since the number of
>members required for quorum is 1/2 the number of active DMB members,
>rounded up, the change in the number of active members will affect
>quorum. At such time as any DMB member is found to be inactive due to
>this rule, the current DMB chair will add an action item to schedule a
>public vote for a new DMB member. Previous DMB members, including those
>changed to inactive due to this rule, are eligible to run in the new
>election and any later elections. This proposal is not retroactive, and
>the attendance requirement shall start the first meeting after this
>proposal is adopted.
>>
>> (see
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Rules_and_Regulations)
>>
>> There are currently two individuals on the DMB who are in violation
>of this policy decided upon over 3 months ago; the specific names can
>be provided upon request privately for the TB's knowledge if the
>information is required or pertinent.
>>
>> Both of these members have not been present for at least 6
>consecutive meetings and as such are in violation of the agreed upon
>policy that was passed in November.
>>
>> During the DMB meeting today (Feb. 7, 2022), a major disagreement
>came up between Dan Streetman and Robie Basak, over the fact that,
>"While we have decided upon this policy, we never discussed *how* we
>would do this."  As such, a massive point of contention rose today in
>the meeting.
>>
>> Dan Streetman has proposed removing the members who meet this
>criterion immediately and begin the process of drafting elections for
>two new members to replace the individuals who are now in violation of
>this policy.
>>
>> Robie Basak is against any action until both aforementioned
>individuals have had a chance to respond before we remove them.  He is
>also of the position that any response from the absent members would
>not necessarily affect any decision on their removal, however Robie is
>of the opinion that all individuals must be contacted first and must
>have a chance to respond before we simply remove any absent members.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the DMB could not come to agreement on this, and have
>requested to escalate this to the Technical Board for determination of
>how we should address this, and help to determine the proper procedure
>in this case.
>>
>> I would request that the TB make a decision as to how the DMB should
>proceed, or if the TB chooses to not handle this, escalate to the
>proper group to handle this decision.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thomas Ward
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~teward
>>
>> Developer Membership Board Member
>>
>> [1]:
>https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/02/07/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t16:13
>>
>> [2]:
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2021-August/001726.html
>>
>> [3]:
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2021-November/001780.html
>>
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