Community V. "Community

[Derek Broughton]

Mario Vukelic wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 09:34 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
>> I do not see how what you just said is anything different from what I
>> said.
> 
> My impression was that you said it as if it was a bad thing
> 
>> As Derek has managed to express better than me, the problem is that zero
>> merit is afforded to users who point out valid problems. Users's input,
>> be it suggestions, feature request or code, is simply discarded most of
>> the time and especially in the case of difficult problems. This goes for
>> ANY project.
> 
> I don't think it's the case at all. Users who contribute are, as I see
> it, welcome. I, personally, have little patience these days for people
> who bitch on ubuntu-users but can't even be arsed to look up blueprints.
> IMHO the structure is raesonably open, but it is up to everyone to make
> use of it.

Give me a break.  You have to know that I have a pretty good clue about
Ubuntu, and I never knew about "blueprints".  Dotan, who is far more active
than me, _also_ didn't know about blueprints.  I can quite well be "arsed"
to look up what I know about, but it's right handy to hide policy by
sticking it somewhere where nobody uninitiated will ever find it.  The
clear fact is that developers don't WANT input from users.  Now you've got
me reading the devel lists, and I'm seeing it even more clearly - user
feedback is irrelevant, while closed research from OEMs dictates the
direction of Ubuntu.
-- 
derek