Community V. "Community

[Mario Vukelic]

On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 09:34 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
> I do not see how what you just said is anything different from what I said.

My impression was that you said it as if it was a bad thing

> As Derek has managed to express better than me, the problem is that zero 
> merit is afforded to users who point out valid problems. Users's input, 
> be it suggestions, feature request or code, is simply discarded most of 
> the time and especially in the case of difficult problems. This goes for 
> ANY project.

I don't think it's the case at all. Users who contribute are, as I see
it, welcome. I, personally, have little patience these days for people
who bitch on ubuntu-users but can't even be arsed to look up blueprints.
IMHO the structure is raesonably open, but it is up to everyone to make
use of it.

> No, this has everything to do with the problem. Con's example is one 
> that highlights the difference from the Community and the "Community" 
> where he has in part done some of the things that would be normally 
> asked such as "where's the code?"

Well, we have to agree to disagree.

> I am sorry but I still do not see any actual invitation to anybody else 
> but developers. Take this line for example: "
> 
> The summit is open to the public, but is not a traditional
> conference, exhibition or other audience-oriented event. Rather, it is
> an opportunity for Ubuntu developers - who usually collaborate online -
> to work together in person on specific tasks.
> 
> "
> 
> That is a nice way of saying - developers only.

Sorry, I don't get what you want. The announcement says what UDS will be
about. If you want LinuxTag, go to LinuxTag. LinuTag won't accomplish
the goals of UDS, though.

MAybe what you want is an Ubuntu community feel-good day. Fair enough,
I'd probably like something like that myself. But UDS is for getting
actual work done AFAICT

> It appears then that Amber is not quite as malicious as you make her to 
> be. Do you have a problem if we have an intense interest in the state of 
> the bridge?

I didn't mean to paint her malicious, but you'll have to agree that she
quoted extremely selectively.
I think an interest in "the bridge" is fine, and I think everyone, devs
included, agrees that Brainstorm currently is not what it was hoped to
be. But demanding UDS to change into something it is not won't help,
IMHO. A special user community event would be, I guess, a great thing to
have.