Sounder mailing list etiquette and future direction

Liam Proven lproven at
Fri Dec 4 10:48:43 GMT 2009

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Peter Garrett
<peter.garrett at> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:27:19 -0600
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard at> wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:34:29 -0500
>> Michael Haney <thezorch at> wrote:
>> > The idea of a forum for the
>> > free unrestrained exchange of ideas and opinions reflects the very
>> > core of the Free Libre Open Source Software movement.
>> Exactly.  I hope you don't mean free unrestrained exchange of ideas
>> and opinions that agree with <whoevers>?  Wouldn't, "free and
>> unrestrained," allow for /differences/ of opinion, too?
> What we are seeing here is the distortion of "Ubuntu" to mean "don't
> upset anybody"...
> Unfortunately, this kind of attitude drives clueful but occasionally
> abrupt people away.

Absolutely. This is the only one of the 5 Ubuntu lists I am on that I
really actively participate in any longer - and the only one that had
broken reply-to headers, incidentally - and that is because of its
free-ranging, friendly, jokey tone. Moderate that away & they will
moderate away the reason I am here.

>> >  But, allow
>> > things to stay as they are is just as bad.
>> As bad as what?  A, "free unrestrained exchange of ideas and
>> opinions?"  What's so bad about that?  I thought that was what we were
>> all here for to begin with.  i know it is what brought me here.
> Anything that treads on anyone's toes is being seen as not in the
> spirit of the Code of Conduct.

This is absurd to me. If someone is being stupid then it is perfectly
reasonable to tell them; that is how one learns not to be. This is not
the same as insulting them, name-calling and so on, but I've seen
virtually none of that online.

> Add me to the list of those who think that this is precious, and
> constitutes a form of "reverse elitism".

Strongly agree.

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