New Programs for Hardy?

[Vadim Peretokin]

"3. On-demand Language download. (remove all languages except EN & GB,
but autodownload language on demand. ~160MB)"

That would be a really bad idea... in most places internet isn't good,
people have to wait several days to just download the CD (if they're brave
enough to. As per many non-english forums, there are threads where people
are sharing CD's - "Get CD of A in city of B!").

On Dec 8, 2007 7:47 AM, Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 10:56:04AM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Joel Bryan Juliano [2007-12-08 13:42 +0800]:
> > > 1. Perforation changing 0 bits to lseek(2). (so they don't have a real
> > > and definite file size. ~2MB)
> >
> > I'm afraid I don't understand that. Do you have a pointer to some
> > details?
>
> He's referring to sparse files, which I doubt would save much space
> because
> a) the files are already compressed and b) this only helps for long (>=1
> block?) sequences of all zeroes.
>
> mksquashfs, apparently, will detect sparse files in its input and store
> them
> more efficiently in the output.
>
> > > 2. Kernel Modules Stripping. (not possible to remove every symbols,
> > > but it's possible to remove useless ones. ~30MB)
> >
> > Hm, wow! (IANAKD, can't comment on this).
>
> None of the symbols are "useless".  Some space savings may be possible
> here
> if we created something like the apport retracer for kernel oopses;
> without
> that, removing the symbols would make debugging these painful.
>
> > > 3. On-demand Language download. (remove all languages except EN & GB,
> > > but autodownload language on demand. ~160MB)
> >
> > We do want to ship with the world's most common languages, and we
> > currently spend mabye 30 MB of CD size for that. It varies between
> > releases, we just fill up CDs with however many langpacks fit to fill
> > it up.
>
> We already do download additional languages on demand for installation,
> and
> it probably isn't very practical to do this for the live environment
> because
> it would use a lot of memory.
>
> > > 4. On-demand Fonts download. (remove all fonts associated with
> > > non-existing languages. ~90MB)
> >
> > Ideally a default Ubuntu installation has all fonts to display
> > everything. We have to compromise a bit and move some out to
> > language-support, but recently we already cleaned up fonts, and I
> > don't think we ship 90 MB worth of (compressed) CD space.
>
> I don't think we ship fonts for any non-existing languages.  Arne reckons
> we
> can save space with a smaller subset of what we ship today, without giving
> up any language support.
>
> > > 5. Remove DiveIntoPython on default installation (~80MB)
> >
> > This package needs 1 MB on the CD, not 80.
>
> Indeed, it's only about 4M uncompressed, but it is developer
> documentation,
> and is available on the web, so I do think we could live without it (for
> the
> same reason we removed the selection of Python modules from the desktop).
>
> > > 1. Change Rhythmbox to Banshee. (remove Sound Juicer and Serpentine,
> > > since all of those features are available in Banshee. ~30MB)
> >
> > Hm, where do you take these numbers from? RB is 3.8 MB, banshee is 2
> > (again, compressed).  Removing Sound juicer and Serpentine would be
> > great, of course, RB now supports burning CDs; not sure about reading
> > them.
>
> I think RB relies on sound-juicer for reading CDs; I'm not sure about the
> writing.
>
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