menus, fullscreens, and focii
mike at osdn.org.ua
Tue Dec 20 10:59:02 GMT 2005
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 11:02:58AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> | > | Unfortunately, that forces one to go to the single application
> | > | paradigm, and, sometimes you lose the menu bar (which is Ok for
> | > | basic web browsing or word processing but not for real work).
> | Again, I think we're thinking different things.
> Apparently. You are thinking ??removing the menu bar?? implies
> ??full-screen mode??. In the apps where I care, I can turn off
> the menu bar without going into a full-screen mode.
Actually Eric seems to be telling the opposite, that there's a
*need* for somewhat more persistent menu bar even in fullscreen
or the likes. Not about "removing menu bar [to save earth]".
> | When I go full-screen with Windows/Linux, often-times I lose the menu
> | bar. This makes an app less functional. All important functionality
> | should be accessible within one or two mouse clicks. Users shouldn't
> | have to use the keyboard, except to enter text (not to issue
> | commands).
> They shouldn't have to, but they should be able to.
It's more about productivity, not accessibility to me.
> Not having keyboard shortcuts for common tasks is a major pain
> and it's a lot harder to actually hit a small icon or a menu
> than hitting the right keys on the keyboard.
Yeah, but shortcuts are less discoverable. (see, I'm learning
these words ;)
> Even though Jeff's mum might not want keyboard shortcuts
> particularly much, my mum does. :-)
My mom too (GIMP ones) :-)
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