[lubuntu-users] cups not built-in ?

Sat Aug 13 08:19:23 UTC 2016

People from Asia use Lubuntu, too - Kylin may be too heavy for them. If 1 or 2 billion people aren't able to use a distribution, it is pointless. 

But nearly every computer on the world which is capable to run Lubuntu can boot from DVD or USB. Corner cases use Plop. So, the size limit isn't helpful at all. 

Best regards, Jörn 

Am 13. August 2016 10:02:54 MESZ, schrieb Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net>:
>I believed that Lubuntu can run with RAM 256~384MiB
>Many old computers (not super old) don't boot USB media. Some because
>BIOS hasn't the feature, and some because presented boot option doesn't
>work.
>Is Plop included in ISO image as SmartBootMedia* is?
>
>I believe an old computer is recoverable if it can be used as a
>typewriter, printing, managing USB volumes to save&load documents, and
>some networking {shared folders, shared printers, wikipedia browsing,
>etc.}. If it's easy to use and compatible with hardware&software
>upgrades... better then.
>
>About heavy packages for east asiatic fonts, there is a Kylin project
>more adequate for them. It's like the impossibility to include full
>spanish desktop in a live session --> it will be installed when
>installing to hard disk with internet access.
>
>I cannot mind that a simple and usable operating system doesn't fit in
>700MiB... and compressed... and expandable with package manager.
>
>No body remembers that Lubuntu was based on the old Ubuntu Lite
>(u-lite)
>and its purposes?
>http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ulite
>
>
>(*) Lacks of sbminst
>
>
>El 12/08/16 a les 20:42, Nio Wiklund ha escrit:
>> [bottom posting]
>> 
>> Den 2016-08-12 kl. 09:33, skrev Narcis Garcia:
>>> The lightest variant of Ubuntu, Lubuntu, should fit on a traditional
>>> CD-ROM and should be installable without internet access. This is
>the
>>> typical scenario (small computer, small internet) where someone
>chooses
>>> Lubuntu.
>>>
>>> I believe all basic variants of Lubuntu should fit on a 700MB
>CD-ROM:
>>> i386-desktop*
>>> powerpc-desktop*
>>> i386-alternate
>>> powerpc-alternate
>>>
>>> - Why Mozilla software is kept instead of CUPS?? What about Midori
>>> browser or others? Firefox is 45MiB compressed, Midori 11MiB, full
>CUPS
>>> 10MiB.
>>> - If someone needs Sylpheed, has internet access, then can install
>it
>>> after; same with Pidgin and Transmission.
>>> - Abiword can be a good selection; Gnumeric is not too esential as
>the
>>> word processor is.
>>> - How many partition managers are needed? GParted + gnomedisks ?
>>> - How many package managers are needed? Synaptic + softwarecenter ?
>>> - How many audio players are needed? Audacious + gnomemplayer ?
>>> - Why there are 73MiB (compressed) dedicated to fonts-noto-cjk ? And
>>> 8MiB to fonts-nanum ?
>>> - 14MiB (compressed) dedicated to software-center metadata
>>> (app-install-data) ?
>>> - 9MiB for linux-headers ? Need to recompile kernel/modules offline?
>>> - About gnome-icon-theme (9MiB), I believe that it should be split
>in
>>> gnome-icon-theme-minimal and gnome-icon-theme-full; then select only
>the
>>> minimal for ISO media.
>>>
>>>
>>> (*) Live sessions are essential to check if the OS works, before
>>> installing over a previous OS in the computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El 11/08/16 a les 20:13, Ian Bruntlett ha escrit:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> On 11 August 2016 at 19:00, Aere Greenway
><Aere at dvorak-keyboards.com
>>>> <mailto:Aere at dvorak-keyboards.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     On 08/11/2016 11:49 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I believe that the problem is on software selection to
>build
>>>>         live/install media, and not on any software package.
>>>>         If live/install media hasn't CUPS, seems to be caused by a
>>>>         discard decision.
>>>>
>>>>         What I don't understand is, if this decision is for CD
>space
>>>>         reasons,
>>>>         why Lubuntu ISOs are still over 700MB.
>>>>
>>>>     I would be very surprised if cups were intentionally discarded
>for
>>>>     space reasons.
>>>>
>>>>     The ability to print is a necessity for any computer you do
>actual
>>>>     work with (in my opinion).
>>>>
>>>>     If things are that desperate space-wise, the goal of fitting it
>on a
>>>>     CD should be abandoned, and defeat admitted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It currently doesn't fit on a CD. To install one of the Ubuntus, go
>to
>>>> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/ and download the relevant iso.
>From
>>>> what I see there, 32-bit Ubuntus can be installed by putting a 48M
>iso
>>>> onto CD-R and choosing options - e.g. Ubuntu or Lubuntu packages -
>at
>>>> install time. I've been using a NetBoot CD-R for some of my 32-bit
>>>> installs.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> -- Free Software page -
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>>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Hi all Narcis, Aere and all other Lubuntu users and developers,
>> 
>> I agree that this is a very important subject to discuss:
>> 
>> 1. To be or not to be within CD size
>> 
>> 2. if we decide that the Lubuntu iso files should be within CD size,
>> which program packages to skip or replace.
>> 
>> 3. else, which program packages to add or replace to take advantage
>of
>> the release from the CD size limit.
>> 
>> -o-
>> 
>> Where should be draw the limit? Are there any ten year old computers,
>> that cannot boot from DVD or USB? My twelve year old Dell Dimension
>4600
>> can boot from both DVD and USB without any problems. Many older
>> computers can chainload via Plop and boot Lubuntu from a USB
>pendrive.
>> 
>> I think it is time to give up, and let Lubuntu grow beyond the CD
>size,
>> and to take the opportunity to improve the selection of program
>packages.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>> 
>
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