Lost my GUI in 14.10
Basil Fernie
basil at pop.co.za
Mon Sep 8 10:11:47 UTC 2014
...or, Lost MY GUI in 14.04!
Been watching this one with a sort of morbid interest, because my laptop
is sitting with a failed upgrade from 12.04.? Symptoms include a frequent
failure to display desktop on boot apart from taskbar across bottom of
screen and conky in top right-hand corner (at least the Xserver is
presumably working), I can select and run any application from the main
Lubuntu menu, so am not totally immobilised, but try "Send to gesktop"?
Nothing visible happens.
Also lack of the volume control applet icon on the taskbar so I have no
convenient means of muting sound. Certainly the sound is working, but
there is no control on the desktop. Task Manager advises pulseaudio at
work, also reveals
gvfs-afc-volume-monitor and gvfs-ufd-volume-monitor and
gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor are active, whatever they may be I don't know
how to control them or even if I should be able to.
And I have 817 uninstalled upgrades waiting for ...what? That number has
come down from over 830 after repeated apt-get update, apt-get upgrade,
apt-get autoremove sequences; it has stuck now stubbornly on 817. Seems to
be blocked by a purported lack af sane-devices (but I can scan without
difficulty from my HP DeskJet F4180...)
Every now and then a "System Upgrade" advisory window opens - if I click
"Run" it frowns at me and says "This program cannot do an upgrade from
"Trusty" to "Precise". Which is understandable, but I was rather hoping it
wouls complete the upgrade from the older to the newer.
Oh, and I have 2 instances of nmapplet-manager running after boot, but
this is a know and resolved issue.
All this in the wake of an attempted click-and-lean-back,
watch-the-terminal-messages-scrolling-past automated upgrade from 12.04.04
to 14.04.1 (I had decided to wait for the first point update to be
released, memories of Microsoft days, better safe than sorry right?)
Earlier, though, while still purportedly runnining on 12.04.?, and
religiously using "Update Manager" to stay, well, up-to-date, I wwould be
instructed to insert my 14.04 CD (DVD) as some needed files were on it. So
I did, the ISO DVD with which I had done live boots for version-testing,
and concluded that I would wait for 14.04.1 before doing the system
upgrade. Apparently UM couldn't penetrate the .iso barrier (directory
structure) to find the files it needed... Which CD/DVD was it looking for,
please advise? Surely this shouldn't be a problem?
So while I would be delighted to help test L14.10, I'm not too sanguine
about committing time to a version which it doesn't seem will be clear of
the problems I already face, but will have the added problem, I hear,
that synaptiks won't be usable with it. Synaptiks is the only reason I
can type this e-mail on my laptop without going crazy. This could be
show-stopper stuff.
Currently I'm transferring workload bit-by-bit to a parallel installation
of LXDE 14.04.1 which of course depends heavily on Lubuntu. It's not
perfect, of course, but seems to be clear of most of the hassles
encountered here - so far.
Strength and fortitude and great appreciation to all,
Basil Fernie
On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:34:24 +0200, Henk Terhell <hterhell at chello.nl>
wrote:
> There are still several issues on both Lubuntu 14.10 and Xubuntu 14.10
> on my device.
> Main issues are:
> Lubuntu 14.10:
> - only after a terminal upgrade of nvidia driver 304 I get a GUI back.
> The automatic upgrade from the menu of the software updater gave me
> again the old version of 304.123 resulting in a blank screen.
> - login is required after screen time-out, which cannot be switched off.
> The handling through Xfce Power Manager is confusing and doesn't
> function well (e.g. system sleep mode cannot be changed from suspend).
> Installing xscreensaver could help to control the handling of screen
> time-out, but such action is not needed in L14.04.
>
> I will replace shortly my current L14.10 with a fresh daily build and
> see what happens, but I don't expect differences.
>
> Xubuntu 14.10:
> - only from terminal login and command startx I get a GUI with latest
> driver 304.123
> - although the nvidia sound card is recognized with command inxi -AG,
> there is no output to the internal monitor speakers (in lubuntu 14.10
> there is no sound problem at all)
>
> Henk
>
> Israel schreef op 6-9-2014 om 20:25:
>> Great Henk!
>> So everything works for both L(X)ubuntu?
>> This issue shouldn't be present then in the daily builds, is this
>> correct?
>>
>> You say there is a sound problem now?
>> Is this for Lubuntu or Xubuntu?
>>
>> Maybe testing the daily image for Lubuntu will confirm that the
>> startx/nvidia issue is fixed.
>>
>>
>> On 09/06/2014 03:19 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>>> I just read about an upgrade fix that was issued for nvidia 304.123
>>> (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1365336 at
>>> #45; there is an explanation at #32)
>>> Xubuntu 14.10 still needs startx to boot the desktop after an upgrade
>>> to this driver was received.
>>> Very strange there is still a sound problem in this distro.
>>>
>>> In Lubuntu 14.10 I did therefore also an upgrade sudo upgrade
>>> nvidia-304 and got the desktop back!
>>>
>>> Henk
>>>
>>> Israel schreef op 5-9-2014 om 22:33:
>>>> Hi Henk,
>>>> So, if I understand you
>>>> Lubuntu cannot enter the Destkop, because it cannot start the xserver.
>>>> Xubuntu fails to start the Xserver, but can start it from terminal.
>>>>
>>>> Is this correct? The issue may still be the display manager since
>>>> Xubuntu does not start X automatically. However there is a
>>>> possibility
>>>> that Xorg in Utopic has changes that make supporting your card
>>>> difficult. I wonder if there are any xorg or xserver updates since
>>>> you
>>>> downloaded Lubuntu. I think someone with more understanding of the
>>>> entire display process of Linux needs to jump in here...
>>>> But... keep an eye on the updates, and see what packages come in an
>>>> either fix or break the machine. I may set up a VM to test this, but
>>>> I
>>>> have some other stuff going on right now that is taking up a lot of
>>>> time :)
>>>>
>>>> On 09/05/2014 02:46 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>>>>> Strange enough Xubuntu 14.10 on the same PC doesn't start in GUI but
>>>>> hangs after every boot at the terminal. After login and StartX the
>>>>> desktop appears.
>>>>> Both nouveau and NVDIA 304.123 video drivers do work well in Xubuntu
>>>>> 14.10 without any screen freezes so far . So there is difference with
>>>>> Lubuntu 14.10.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Lubuntu 14.10, sound handling is much improved and worked for me
>>>>> out-of-the-box.
>>>>> In Xubuntu 14.10 I haven't yet figured out how to get sound as
>>>>> Pulseaudio cannot find there my built-in monitor speakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Henk
>>>>>
>>>>> Henk Terhell schreef op 5-9-2014 om 17:12:
>>>>>> Thanks Israel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had filed a bug report #1363919 in the nvidia drivers section some
>>>>>> days ago as I couldn't find a related report.
>>>>>> The screen dump of startx is different as before. It now only shows
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> non-fatal error about XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (Type "ONE_Level"
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> 1 levels but <RALT> has 2 symbols).
>>>>>> A good idea to install Xubuntu 14.10 alongside. I'll let you know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Israel schreef op 5-9-2014 om 16:24:
>>>>>>> Hi Henk,
>>>>>>> My guess is that this is something to do with lightdm still, since
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> just got an upgrade for it.
>>>>>>> That would be the place to start looking. You could search
>>>>>>> Launchpad to
>>>>>>> see if there is a bug related to this issue. If you cannot find
>>>>>>> any,
>>>>>>> I'd suggest opening a bug for it. It may effect users of different
>>>>>>> desktop environments as well, and then we can know that it is not a
>>>>>>> Lubuntu specific issue. If it is specific to Lubuntu then it may
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> related to the Lubuntu session file.... (sorry I can't remember
>>>>>>> what it
>>>>>>> is called at the moment). This is the Lubuntu specific 'startx'
>>>>>>> command.
>>>>>>> I am guessing you still cannot 'startx' and get X up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could also try downgrading lightdm, I suppose, but that can be
>>>>>>> rather messy when you do things like that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another option would be to install something like Xubuntu in a
>>>>>>> secondary
>>>>>>> partition and see if you are effected with the same issue when you
>>>>>>> update.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this is fully fixed before release!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/05/2014 08:34 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Israel
>>>>>>>> If I recall correctly I got two times upgrades of 14.10 in last
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>> days, 3 sept. and today.
>>>>>>>> Lost my desktop again with the first one.
>>>>>>>> The output of your command is below:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Henk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> libdvdnav4:i386
>>>>>>>> simple-scan:i386
>>>>>>>> python3-gi:i386
>>>>>>>> linux-headers-generic:i386
>>>>>>>> linux-image-generic:i386
>>>>>>>> linux-libc-dev:i386
>>>>>>>> python-gi:i386
>>>>>>>> python-gobject:all
>>>>>>>> python3-update-manager:all
>>>>>>>> update-manager-core:all
>>>>>>>> update-manager:all
>>>>>>>> libldap-2.4-2:i386
>>>>>>>> chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra:i386
>>>>>>>> lshw:i386
>>>>>>>> usb-creator-gtk:i386
>>>>>>>> usb-creator-common:i386
>>>>>>>> lightdm:i386
>>>>>>>> liblightdm-gobject-1-0:i386
>>>>>>>> language-pack-en:all
>>>>>>>> language-pack-gnome-en:all
>>>>>>>> iproute2:i386
>>>>>>>> libmpdec2:i386
>>>>>>>> libhunspell-1.3-0:i386
>>>>>>>> libstartup-notification0:i386
>>>>>>>> python3-problem-report:all
>>>>>>>> python3-apport:all
>>>>>>>> apport:all
>>>>>>>> apport-gtk:all
>>>>>>>> libfm-extra4:i386
>>>>>>>> libfm-gtk-data:all
>>>>>>>> libfm-data:all
>>>>>>>> libfm-gtk4:i386
>>>>>>>> libfm4:i386
>>>>>>>> libfm-modules:i386
>>>>>>>> upstart:i386
>>>>>>>> upstart-bin:i386
>>>>>>>> systemd-shim:i386
>>>>>>>> binutils:i386
>>>>>>>> cpp:i386
>>>>>>>> gcc:i386
>>>>>>>> g++:i386
>>>>>>>> pcmanfm:i386
>>>>>>>> lxshortcut:i386
>>>>>>>> libitm1:i386
>>>>>>>> libgomp1:i386
>>>>>>>> gcc-4.9-base:i386
>>>>>>>> libstdc++6:i386
>>>>>>>> libasan1:i386
>>>>>>>> libubsan0:i386
>>>>>>>> libcilkrts5:i386
>>>>>>>> libatomic1:i386
>>>>>>>> libquadmath0:i386
>>>>>>>> libgcc-4.9-dev:i386
>>>>>>>> cpp-4.9:i386
>>>>>>>> gcc-4.9:i386
>>>>>>>> g++-4.9:i386
>>>>>>>> libstdc++-4.9-dev:i386
>>>>>>>> libgcc1:i386
>>>>>>>> libpulse0:i386
>>>>>>>> libpulse-mainloop-glib0:i386
>>>>>>>> linux-libc-dev:i386
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel schreef op 5-9-2014 om 15:00:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Henk,
>>>>>>>>> What packages were upgraded on your system?
>>>>>>>>> Something like this command:
>>>>>>>>> awk '$3~/^upgrade$/ {print $4;}' /var/log/dpkg.log
>>>>>>>>> can get that info.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 09/05/2014 03:52 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The GUI has gone again after upgrades this week ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Henk
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Henk Terhell schreef op 2-9-2014 om 00:28:
>>>>>>>>>>> The upgrade received today on Lubuntu 14.10 has fully resolved
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nvida-304.123 works OK now.
>>>>>>>>>>> My thanks to the dev team.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Henk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Henk Terhell schreef op 1-9-2014 om 00:26:
>>>>>>>>>>>> After purging driver NVIDIA-304 I got my desktop back with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> default nouveau driver. However opening Firefox rapidly
>>>>>>>>>>>> caused a
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen freeze.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The older NVIDIA-173 did the same after installing and
>>>>>>>>>>>> rebooting. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore switched back to NVIDIA-304.123 from the list and
>>>>>>>>>>>> again no
>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI...
>>>>>>>>>>>> So now I know (a) the absence of GUI was caused by the driver
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> (b) none of the recommended video drivers for Lubuntu 14.10
>>>>>>>>>>>> beta can
>>>>>>>>>>>> be used on this Geforce 6100 card.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For Lubuntu 14.04 (and 14.10 alpha) the recommended
>>>>>>>>>>>> NVIDIA-304.117
>>>>>>>>>>>> does not cause any problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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