Request help respinning 14.10 w/Black Lab Image Creator
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Tue Nov 18 14:10:53 UTC 2014
On 11/17/2014 8:39 PM, Eric Bradshaw wrote:
> So, after working with Systemback and making distributable isos from
> it, I'm pretty sure I can copy the files Systemback puts into the
> syslinux folder of a live iso and believe this would work because the
> DVDs made from Systemback isos boot without error.
> However, the Systemback software has got me rethinking using Black Dog
> Image Creator at all. I've still got some "personalizing" to do for
> the C4C Lubuntu ReSpin, but here's what I'm liking about Systemback so
> 1. The creation of a distributable "live" iso with Systemback is
> incredibly easy, and they each boot in every 32-bit machine I've tried
> them (burned on DVD) in.
> 2. Systemback has the ability to use Ubiquity, but claims to be able
> to work with whatever bootloader I choose (would this then work with
> Yaboot for PowerPC I wonder? I've yet to see if Systemback installs on
> 3. The polished GUI of Systemback makes it a real visual treat to work
> with (for a non-programmer like me) and because it's a great,
> easy-to-use backup system too, I've got no problem including it for
> the end-user.
> 4. They've overcome the 4GB iso limit! I've created several isos
> larger than 4GB that are both live and successfully install a working
> system too.
> Eric Bradshaw
> Thank You,
> God Bless,
> I'm glad to see you are both pushing ahead with the exploration and
> reporting on results. I'm very interested in the topic but have had
> no time to invest so far. In fact, I'm farther back in the process,
> and don't even know for sure what all the viable candidates are (and
> does the list include OBI or gnome-disks aka Disks?)
> Well, my viable candidates are likely different than yours. If I were
> only setting up a bunch of computers myself and didn't provide our
> respin to others as an iso, I would likely go with OBI. It beats any
> other solution I'm familiar with for pure speed.
> But I hear you saying that it's looking more and more like Systemback
> could be a good replacement for Remastersys and B.D.I.C. You did say
> earlier that "Distroshare Ubuntu Imager says it's based on Remastersys
> and it looks like it took a bit from Black Lab Image Creator too, so
> that's definitely my next script to try if the above doesn't work like
> I think." Did you try that but then find Systemback to be superior?
> Yes. But, superior is pretty subjective. It's different. And I likely
> don't have the same requirements/goals as you (guessing). I don't even
> have the same requirements I used to.
> I liked Remastersys and later BLIC because it's basically just a big
> shell script. I could see (some of) what it was doing and change
> things to suit the needs of Computers4Christians. I had initially
> gotten rid of the live option altogether because doubling what's in
> skel (where you put things to make them end up in the user's Home
> Folder) made it go over the 4GB iso limit and there was no need for
> anyone to "try out" the distro anyway.
> Can you say anything explicit about how Systemback treats user-level
> or global settings. For instance, does it strip out all user accounts
> and settings? Or certain ones? Or have an option to do so or not?
> (Or does the documentation cover this question?)
> I think Systemback strips out user-level settings automatically, but
> has a check box to include them. I had in the past, included certain
> settings in skel by including files and folders (usually hidden ones
> that start with a dot like .mozilla and .xiphos). Systemback copies
> everything from the Home Folder directly. The advantage for me would
> be not having to worry that I've copied all the correct hidden
> directories and files into skel to make the settings like I want
> them. As far as I can tell, Systemback doesn't use skel at all.
> The disadvantage I suppose would be taking a chance my personal info
> would be included, but I've never used my own personal machine to make
> our respin. Oh, and the documentation is nonexistent as far as I know.
> I couldn't find more than a paragraph about any single feature.
> On a related sort of question, for the more narrow purpose of
> per-system full-installation backup, I'm also interested in how
> Systemback or other candidates might serve for that.
> If you are meaning will Systemback work for individual users to back
> up their own computers; yes. I think it'll be great for that.
> Systemback uses restore points (similar to what Windows does now as I
> understand it) to create snapshots of the system so it can be restored
> to that exact state/date if need be. I am new to that whole concept,
> but really, really like it.
> Thank You,
> God Bless,
Thanks Eric, this is a good orientation for me. I'm just approaching
the point where I'll need to go hands-on with this.
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