have you got a really old computer
ali.linux at amjjawad.net
Sat Mar 8 11:13:12 UTC 2014
On 03/07/2014 04:53 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
Hi Nio and everyone :)
> We want to try a new kernel for Trusty Tahr, that is developed by
> PhillW. Many people help to build an Ubuntu based operating system
> around it, a system that should work on most computers (maybe except
> some of those brand new ones that cannot switch off UEFI).
> We have a wide variety of computers, but have not found any really old
> one without PAE capability. I'm not talking about Pentium M and Celeron
> M, I'm talking about CPUs before Pentium II:
> Pentium Pro, Pentium (i586), or Intel 486 or maybe the corresponding
> generation of AMD from 1993-1997.
> I have an old computer from 1998, and it has a Pentium II CPU at 400
> MHz, so it must be older. Check for a clock frequency at or below 200 MHz.
> If you are a happy owner of such a jewel, please help us test that the
> non-pae kernel really works in a computer without PAE capability :-)
I'm the owner of this:
However, for two good reasons, I'm afraid I can't help:
First and for the most important thing: such OLD machines are 100%
useless for 'nowadays' usages and I insist on 'nowadays' usages. If
someone is willing to use CLI ONLY, that is different story but
seriously, we're wasting our time here for nothing valuable. That is my
opinion after years of trying and exploring many things.
Dealing with more than 50 different machines in 3 months or so, I have
learned a lot from old and new machines.
A friend of mine gave me this:
And the laptop is not accepting anything now so it seems another
challenge to poke.
Second of all, my super old laptop is broken. Last time I tried to play
with it, it was in a very bad status. I can NOT install anything unless
I take the HDD out and put it back it. The cables are not in good
condition as well tell you the truth, I don't want to do 'more' tests
just to prove something I already know and the world should as it is
If you follow this thread:
You will come to know that and to save everyone's time, may I put that
in few lines?
That P2 machine with 64MB RAM can't do anything further than logging
into the desktop :)
Nothing beyond that ;)
See, we all here love Linux. No one can question my love nor yours to
Linux and FOSS. However, let's please be realistic and logical here.
Yes, my project ToriOS is for old machines but I'm definitely not ready
to waste my time nor anyone's time on machine with very and I mean very
low resources like P2 with 64MB RAM :)
If someone needs CLI ONLY, there are some alternative already exist :)
You guys should better know what you're doing. There is a difference
between 'going the extra miles' and between 'doing something totally
pointless' and to state my public opinion here: It is a waste of time to
try with machines older than 2000 :)
What are we expecting from super old machines? what exactly are we
willing to do with that? think about it. This question must be answer
before going further.
Unless of course you mean P2 with more than 512MB RAM which I doubt
because OLD motherboards have limitations with the range of RAM they
accept. Even though, such weak CPU can't do much.
I'd love be proven wrong :)
Our efforts should be for a machine that could cope with the latest
technologies. Yes, can run happily one tab, no more.
This machine of mine:
Can't handle 3 opened tabs at the same time :)
If I use Gmail and Facebook, I have hard time and whenever I open 3, the
machine shouts for help.
You clearly can see it is P4 with 512MB RAM.
Now, you're asking for a machine from 1993-1997? to do what? logging to
I shared my opinion and advice. It is your call now :D
> Best regards
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