OBI on DVD and more...
Nio Wiklund
nio.wiklund at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 05:26:07 UTC 2014
Hi Andre,
That is similar to my experience. Some computers need one tool, other
computers need another one. Some of them are willing to boot in many
ways, some are harder to boot.
I don't think there is one 'patent tool' that will solve all tasks. But
if I should say something in general it might be something like this:
Plop is more likely to help boot from USB in very old computers, while
it is more likely that middle aged computers can boot directly from USB.
Old and slow USB pendrives can be better booters than new and fast USB
drives.
The software and configuration of the USB pendrive can also make a
difference in ability to boot.
I think the problem is that the motherboards and USB devices vary (both
hardware and software), and the primary task when designing the USB
system was to use it to connect to peripheral devices and as mass
storage devices, but not for booting. But I guess it is gradually
getting more standardized, and easier to use for booting.
Finally, I'll ask again:
> Do you think there is a great need for CD booting?
I think you asked concerning the OBI. Should be try to find someone who
can include it into an iso file with a live system?
Best regards
Nio
2014-01-06 22:38, Andre Rodovalho skrev:
> @nio
>
> Grub2 and HBCD works good on any computer that boots USB drives. With
> Grub2, I can also load grub4DOS, which is the base of HBCD live discs...
>
> My notebook boots from USB, but I need to set a partition with FAT16 and
> this not good. Using Plop, I can sometimes boot, but it's random,
> sometimes it found what to load, sometimes freezes on Plop menu, and I
> need a hard reset to get it back.
>
> Lately I had problems with Asus a7v8x-x and Asus k8n MOBOs... These two,
> boots nice on Plop but freeze on my USB menu... Weird!
>
> A7V8X has something like USB-FDD and USB-ZIP option to boot. But they
> are useless to me, does no work!
>
>
> 2014/1/6 Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com>>
>
> Hi again Andre,
> [I'm answer inline this time]
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> 2014-01-06 14:03, Andre Rodovalho skrev:
> > Thanks you all...
> >
> > @nio: You don't need to upload a new mkusb. I'm pretty sure that
> > removing the sudo calls will make it work. My suggestion is to make it
> > "mainstream". But I understand that this could also make things a
> litle
> > more dificult for newcomers... but... Is up to you to decide...
>
> OK, I have tested it and I think there are no drawbacks, only
> advantages. You actually found a bug. I'll upload a new version of mkusb
> without any sudo inside as the new standard version :-)
>
> > @all: I tested Plop, and in some computers I have success. But on the
> > last two machines I tried, I got freezed after USB boot. I made
> > multiboot with Grub2 and also with HBCD (http://www.hirensbootcd.org/)
>
> Well, Plop doesn't work everywhere. It works in my oldest and slowest
> computer, where I can't boot directly from USB. But in another old
> computer of mine it does not work. Luckily it is possible to boot
> directly from USB in that computer. What results did you get with HBCD
> and grub2?
>
> Do you think there is a great need for CD booting?
>
> > Don't know If I'm doing something wrong, and I tested with different
> > Plop managers from different HBCD versions!
> >
> >
> > 2014/1/6 Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com
> <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com> <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com
> <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com>>>
> >
> > 2014-01-06 03:49, Andre Rodovalho skrev:
> > > I would like to know how can I create a DVD media with OBI
> and several
> > > Ubuntu flavors or other distros...
> > >
> > > The reason for that is, sometimes it is much easier to get a
> DVD drive
> > > than fighting to boot USB drives on old hardware... With
> such media, I
> > > could have about 4 distros, properly I could burn amd64 and i386
> > > versions of Lubuntu, and have many other options to install
> > >
> > > I thought I could use the compressed dd image to get a iso
> file, and
> > > maybe with on this iso add some tarballs to /tarballs
> directory. But I
> > > never did something like this on Linux. Maybe there is a
> easier way to
> > > get this done too...
> > >
> > > Another thing, I would like to suggest an change on mkusb
> script. I
> > > recently had to use on the partimage linux. There is no
> "sudo" there,
> > > so I could not properly use this script to make a
> installation media.
> > > Root user is always available on this distro, and also,
> there is some
> > > distros that have no sudo binary...
> > >
> > > So, to get some more generic script, maybe the right thing
> to do is to
> > > remove all sudo from code, and run the script as root user. In a
> > debian
> > > like distro "sudo ./mkusb".
> > >
> > > I'm hearing you thoughts...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi Andre,
> >
> >
> > 1. Multiboot
> >
> > I see your point, but I think it will not be easy for me to
> make it.
> >
> > There are several multi-boot systems for USB drives that are
> easy to
> > create, but the ones that I know of for DVDs need remastering
> to be
> > created. Maybe somebody in the Lubuntu community knows how to
> do it and
> > would be prepared to make such a DVD image.
> >
> > Can *you* how are reading this now do it?
> >
> >
> > 2. One Button Installer on CD/DVD
> >
> > I agree with Brendan, that Plop is a good alternative.
> >
> > 2014-01-06 04:35, brendanperrine at gmail.com
> <mailto:brendanperrine at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:brendanperrine at gmail.com
> <mailto:brendanperrine at gmail.com>> skrev:> plop is really good
> > at getting things to boot off old hardware is plop
> > > boot manager.
> > > http://www.plop.at/
> > > It is really easy for me to use at least.
> >
> > 2.1 I use a Plop CD to start some drivers that can boot a USB
> pendrive
> > in my oldest computer, a Compaq Presario 5640 with a 400 MHz
> Pentium II
> > CPU and 192 MB RAM. That way I can use the One Button
> Installer and
> > install an operating system from a tarball.
> >
> > 2.2 A second alternative would be to make the OBI work from a
> CD/DVD. A
> > couple of alternatives might work:
> >
> > A read/write CD/DVD system is possible but not very
> standardized, and
> > I'm afraid it might work only in a few CD/DVD hardware equipments.
> >
> > Making an OBI iso file by remastering an iso system:
> >
> > It would be more likely that a remastered iso system would
> work in most
> > computers with a CD/DVD drive (to make an iso file live system
> with the
> > OBI scripts included). I have never remastered a system, and
> need help
> > to learn how to do it or ask someone else to do the
> remastering, but if
> > many people want it, I think we should do it.
> >
> >
> > 3. mkusb without sudo
> >
> > Your question about mkusb should be easier to solve. I just
> tried to use
> > it without using sudo directly in the command line (but
> running as root
> > via sudo -s).
> >
> > The current version works like that for me. But I found that
> there are a
> > few calls with sudo, that should be removed from the script
> (two calls
> > of parted and one of fdisk), the others are only text strings
> in echo
> > statements.
> > -----
> > grep 'sudo ' ~/bin/mkusb
> > for i in /dev/[^f]d?; do sudo parted -ls|grep -B1 "$i"|tr '\n'
> '\t';echo
> > "";done
> > tj="$(sudo parted -ls|grep -B1 "$j"|tr '\n' ' '|sed
> s/Model:\ //;echo
> > "")"
> > tj=$(sudo fdisk -lu "$j" 2>/dev/null|grep "$j":|sed s/\,\
> .*//)
> > echo "sudo $0 file.iso"
> > echo "sudo $0 file.img.gz"
> > echo "sudo $0 file.img.xz"
> > echo "sudo $0 wipe-all"
> > echo "sudo $0 wipe-1"
> > echo "sudo $0 $1"
> > echo "sudo lshw -class disk #####" > "$hlptxt"
> > echo "sudo fdisk -lu 2>/dev/null|grep "/dev/[^f]d"|sort
> #####" >>
> > "$hlptxt"
> > -----
> >
> > Can you try it after removing those sudos yourself, or do you
> want me to
> > upload a release candidate to test?
> >
> > If that does not work, there might be something else, that is
> used by
> > the bash script in an Ubuntu based system, that is not
> available in the
> > other system (in partimage linux). In that case, do you get an
> error
> > message or warning?
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> >
>
>
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