Lubuntu 12.04 End Of Life - EOL

Wed Oct 30 17:44:16 UTC 2013

2013/10/30 Iberê Fernandes <ibere.fernandes at gmail.com>

> 2013/10/30 Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad at gmail.com>
>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Iberê Fernandes <
>> ibere.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> Should we announce in our channels at Facebook and G+ that Lubuntu 12.04
>>> has reached EOL?
>>>
>>> I'm not running Lubuntu 12.04 and I don't have a L12.04 image.
>>>
>>> If someone still has Lubuntu 12.04, could you provide the output of this
>>> command, please?
>>>
>>> ubuntu-support-status --show-all
>>>
>>> source:
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Iberê
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is:  Linux 3.2.0-55-generic #85-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 2 12:29:27 UTC
>> 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux (Lubuntu 12.04 amd64).
>>
>> Output of that tricky command is:
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> *$ ubuntu-support-status --show-all*
>>
>> *You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)
>> *
>> You have 15 packages (1.2%) supported until April 2015 (18m)
>> You have 996 packages (81.9%) supported until April 2017 (5y)
>> You have 3 packages (0.2%) supported until October 2018 (5y)
>>
>> You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded
>> You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported
>>
>> *Supported until October 2013 (18m):*
>> esound-common libaudiofile1 libcue1 libenca0 libesd0 libgsf-1-114
>> libgsf-1-common libid3tag0 libimlib2 libmad0 libva-x11-1 libvdpau1
>> libxcb-composite0 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-xv0 notification-daemon pidgin
>> pidgin-data xscreensaver xscreensaver-data
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> NOW, which part that tells you this system has reached its EOL and should
>> NOT be used? this part?
>> *"You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)"*
>>
>> If YES, then what is the difference between this:
>> *You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> and this:
>> *
>> *
>> *You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported*
>>
>> The reason why I am asking is because the output of:
>>
>> *$ ubuntu-support-status --show-all*
>> *
>> *
>> That shows "unsupported packages" on my Lubuntu 12.04 Installation *(which
>> supposed that it has reached its EOL)* is very close to the output that
>> shows "unsupported packages" on my Lubuntu 13.04 installation *which has
>> NOT yet reached its EOL*.
>>
>> Examples of *mutual* *'unsupported packages'* on both my Lubuntu *12.04*installation and Lubuntu
>> *13.04* installations:
>>
>>
>>    - lubuntu-artwork
>>    - lxpanel
>>    - lxsession
>>    - xfce4-power-manager
>>    - pcmanfm
>>
>>
>> These packages (just an example of much more packages) are indeed on the
>> official repositories.
>>
>> These packages, as per the command, are not supported whether on Lubuntu
>> 12.04 or Lubuntu 13.04.
>>
>> Now, I do hope you see why this is confusing.
>>
>> If both Lubuntu 12.04 and Lubuntu 13.04 showing the SAME unsupported
>> packages, HOW CAN you tell which system has reached its EOL and must not be
>> used and which system is still usable?
>>
>> Unless of course, the part that says "unsupported packages" should be
>> ignored and this part is what we need to look at to tell which has reached
>> its EOL and which one is not:
>>
>> *Lubutnu 12.04*
>> *You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)*
>> You have 15 packages (1.2%) supported until April 2015 (18m)
>> You have 996 packages (81.9%) supported until April 2017 (5y)
>> You have 3 packages (0.2%) supported until October 2018 (5y)
>>
>>
>> You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded
>> You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported
>>
>> *Lubuntu 13.04*
>> *You have 1200 packages (84.8%) supported until January 2014 (9m)
>> *You have 12 packages (0.8%) supported until July 2014 (9m)
>>
>> You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded
>> You have 203 packages (14.3%) that are unsupported
>>
>> - - - - - -
>>
>> HOWEVER, why PCManFM for example or LXPanel is UNsupported on 13.04?
>>
>> I hope you see why this is confusing and I do strongly suggest we create a
>> * NEW Wiki Page* to explain this since this has been an endless debate
>> since Lubuntu 12.04 (one year and a half).
>>
>> By the way, I have:
>> Lubuntu 12.04 installation
>> Lubuntu 13.04 installation
>> and Lubuntu 13.10 installation
>>
>> So, if you need/require the full output (to compare), let me know!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>> Best Regards,
>> amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
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>>
>
>
> I'm running Lubuntu 13.04. Maybe you didn't get my reply quoting the
> answer from our friend vasa1:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-October/005892.html
>
> What he said makes sense:
> $ apt-cache show lxpanel
> Package: lxpanel
> Priority: optional
> Section: universe/x11
> Installed-Size: 3279
> Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Original-Maintainer: Debian LXDE Maintainers <lxde-debian at lists.lxde.org>
> Architecture: i386
> Version: 0.5.12-0ubuntu2
> Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4),
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.35.9), libgtk2.0-0 (>=
> 2.24.0), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1), libmenu-cache2, libwnck22 (>= 1:2.22),
> libx11-6, lxmenu-data
> Recommends: xterm | pavucontrol | gnome-alsamixer
> Suggests: lxsession | menu, iceweasel | www-browser
> Filename: pool/universe/l/lxpanel/lxpanel_0.5.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
>
> Note that lxpanel above is from pool/universe
>
> Now the same command against esound-common:
> ~$ apt-cache show esound-common
> Package: esound-common
> Priority: optional
> Section: sound
> Installed-Size: 80
> Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Original-Maintainer: Josselin Mouette <joss at debian.org>
> Architecture: all
> Source: esound
> Version: 0.2.41-10ubuntu1
> Conflicts: libesd-alsa0
> Filename: pool/main/e/esound/esound-common_0.2.41-10ubuntu1_all.deb
> Size: 9412
>
> Supported: 9m
>
>
> So this package is from pool/main.
>
> So from vasa1 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu,
> I believe (not sure) that both main and restricted repositories are the
> ones supported by Canonical.
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>

Using Synaptic, I've just found some packages from restricted repositories
(pool/restricted):

$ apt-cache show bcmwl-kernel-source (btw, i'm not using it.. to buggy for
me. i prefer b43 driver)
Package: bcmwl-kernel-source
Priority: optional
Section: restricted/admin
Installed-Size: 3575
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
Original-Maintainer: Alberto Milone <alberto.milone at canonical.com>
Architecture: i386
Source: bcmwl
Version: 6.20.155.1+bdcom-0ubuntu6
Replaces: bcmwl-modaliases
Depends: dkms, linux-libc-dev, libc6-dev
Conflicts: bcmwl-modaliases
Filename:
pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel-source_6.20.155.1+bdcom-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
Size: 1303434
MD5sum: 73dbc957c22529184228fc9e30d74658
SHA1: 9a109f48d4525e25b7f331d219a7fdc1b8aa4d46
SHA256: 501e34c3807b53bde3dace456c4139c2c2043252408679e8002cc6ab57677eb8
Description-pt_BR: Código-fonte do driver Linux para a placa sem fio
Broadcom 802.11 STA
 Esse pacote contém o driver Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA para rede sem-fio
 para usar com hardwares baseados nos BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4313-,
 BCM4321-, BCM4322-, BCM43224-, e BCM43225-, BCM43227- e BCM43228 da
 Broadcom..
Modaliases: wl(pci:v000014E4d*sv*sd*bc02sc80i*)
Description-md5: 9da890d8409fb430fa6f9a0c8a37934a
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Origin: Ubuntu
Supported: 9m

$ apt-cache show fglrx
Package: fglrx
Priority: extra
Section: restricted/misc
Installed-Size: 135941
Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists.ubuntu.com>
Architecture: i386
Source: fglrx-installer
Version: 2:9.010-0ubuntu3
Replaces: fglrx-driver, xorg-driver-binary
Provides: fglrx-driver, xorg-driver-binary, xorg-driver-video
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0), libfreetype6 (>=
2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libqtcore4 (>=
4:4.5.3), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2),
libxext6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, libxxf86vm1, dkms, make,
linux-libc-dev, xorg-video-abi-11 | xorg-video-abi-12 | xorg-video-abi-13,
xserver-xorg-core
Recommends: fglrx-amdcccle
Conflicts: fglrx-driver, xorg-driver-binary
Filename: pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx_9.010-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
Size: 47845558
MD5sum: bea77943229811d2bc8daf6d5fb99853
SHA1: 362548eb61a9238cfdeaf3bf06c1c78e40f7b2f8
SHA256: 298a988eec013c660ee2997e6e1b8ec699f5103e8754ffb2d44ff8c984e4eeec
Description-pt_BR: Driver de vídeo para os aceleradores gráficos AMD
 Driver de vídeo para os aceleradores gráficos AMD Radeon e FireGL.
 .
 Esse pacote fornece drivers 2D e aceleração OpenGL por hardware.
Homepage: http://support.amd.com

Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Origin: Ubuntu
Supported: 9m

What do you think?

Best regards,
Iberê

PS: credit goes to vasa1 that enlightened the path to the truth...:)
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