[Lubuntu-qa] RAM needed for desktop installer reduced to half by zRAM
Phill Whiteside
PhillW at Ubuntu.com
Thu Jun 20 22:41:59 UTC 2013
Hi Nio,
yes, the make usb used to work (the XENVO drive is mine in that section)
and I am aware of work being carried out to make it work again. As we are
still pre-alpha stage, I'm hopeful that a resolution will be found so
making USB pendrives work again before we go to release. I do not recall
which lubunuteer added the stuff for networking, he knows who he is :) .
For such an odd and out of the way wiki page, that it is on edit #58 does
show that people do like to play with what lubuntu can do if you are
prepared to roll your sleeves up and get a bit dirty :)
Thanks for taking the time to update the area with the current situation,
as with all of our 'How to install using .......' pages, they are dependant
on our great testers and users to keep them up to date.
Regards,
Phill.
On 20 June 2013 23:16, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Phill,
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
>
> 1. I added the following indented line(s)
> -----
> If you are using a USB device to install the system, follow the USB Guide
>
> Unlike other iso images available on this site, older versions of
> the mini.iso do not work from USB drives, but you can make a working USB
> install drive with the dd cloning method with the mini.iso version
> 13.04. See this link and this tutorial.
>
> If you are using a CD/DVD, follow the CD Guide
> -----
> The text is taken from the corresponding general Ubuntu page
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
>
> where I added "New: You can make ..." after the already existing
> disclaimer.
>
> 2. The chapter 'Unmanaged Wired Network' helped me make the network
> portable. Thank you, whoever wrote that chapter :-)
>
> 3. But I don't understand
>
> 3.1 the chapter about 'USB'
>
> - Is it from before the 'big bug', that stopped mini.iso USB to work?
>
> - I did not suffer from the bug that it wrote the mbr to the USB install
> drive, probably because a dd clone is read-only with its iso file system.
>
> So this chapter needs more attention to get up to date.
>
> 3.2 The talk about CLI.
>
> I used the default method, which is a text based wizard type interface,
> similar to that of the alternate iso. Why not choose that one? (A couple
> of weeks ago, the same actions did not work with the 12.04 iso.)
>
> Could it be, that some bug was only affecting the default method? Who
> else has recent experience of the mini.iso in general, and the usage via
> USB in particular?
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> On 2013-06-20 22:21, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> > Hi Nio,
> >
> > if you're currently 'playing' with mini iso and usb, can you check
> > out
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstallI've
> > not updated details on usb sticks and mini-iso, nor the network manager
> > stuff for a couple of cycles now.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Phill.
> >
> > On 20 June 2013 19:49, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com
> > <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > On 2013-06-20 19:56, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> > >
> > >>>> - Would it be possible to add the Ubiquity command to the
> Openbox
> > >>>> right-click menu? ...
> > >
> > >>> If you are techie enough to play around like that, you are
> probably
> > >>> techie enough to remember a command :)
> > >
> > >> I was thinking, that people could be adviced to use that method:
> To
> > >> log into the ultra-light Openbox session, and the more that is
> > >> built into the system, the less must be described in the tutorial
> > >> or wiki page.
> > >
> > >> ... because this way it is possible to edit or wipe partitions and
> > >> 'swapon' before ubiquity is started, which helps when there is
> very
> > >> low RAM.
> > >
> > > I'm currently thinking and hoping the official docs can basically
> say
> > > there are exactly three recommended Lubuntu installation methods:
> > >
> > > (1) 384MB and up: use the desktop CD, select "Install Lubuntu"
> > > from the menu
> > >
> > > (2) 256MB to 384MB: use the alternate CD
> > >
> > > (3) 128MB to 256MB: Use the netboot mini.iso and select Lubuntu
> > desktop
> > > at the software selection screen
> > >
> > > The appropriate RAM size numbers for each one are what we want to
> find
> > > out.
> > >
> > > What we *don't* want is to have 8 different methods, several of
> them
> > > long and complex and not suitable for newcomers. That just makes
> > > Lubuntu look "hard" and "for techies only". All those other
> "clever"
> > > methods can be documented somewhere on a wiki page, as things that
> are
> > > unsupported but might work, for people who know what they are
> > doing and
> > > have less than 256MB.
> > >
> > > The same goes for workarounds for unsupported video chipsets,
> > etc... we
> > > document them, but on the wiki only and not in the main
> documentation
> > > path we expect newcomers to use. So that people who don't need
> those
> > > details don't have to read them anyway and be put off Lubuntu by
> them.
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > @ Jonathan,
> >
> > As usual, you have wise comments.
> >
> > We must keep separate
> >
> > 1. general and simple stuff for general users (including newcomers)
> >
> > 2. advanced stuff for special cases and/or interested or skilled
> people.
> >
> > I will not argue against that. I totally agree. What we disagree(d)
> > about is if we can include stuff for item 2 into the program code, as
> > the example to 'add the Ubiquity command to the Openbox right-click
> > menu'. But I start to understand that there might low priority for
> such
> > luxury because the programming resources are scarce, while we are
> many
> > who can write wiki pages.
> >
> > @ everybody,
> >
> > By the way, I edited the page about mini.iso
> >
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
> >
> > to indicate that it can be used from USB now (which is good for
> netbook
> > users and for people with bad CD/DVD drives).
> >
> > And I noticed that the network installation by the mini iso is not
> > portable like the one by the desktop iso.
> >
> > -o-
> >
> > A. If we plan to write '(3) 128MB to 256MB: Use the netboot mini.iso
> > ...' in the official document, someone must volunteer to test the RAM
> > limits with the mini.iso for Lubuntu Saucy.
> >
> > Or maybe that should belong to item 2, the advanced stuff. To be
> honest,
> > Knoppix or Puppy are better alternatives than Lubuntu for such low
> RAM.
> > I have hands on experience from an old Compaq with 192 MB RAM.
> >
> > B. What about zRAM for the alternate iso? Please state your opinion!
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
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