Keeping the sub-teams active and up-to-date
Phill Whiteside
PhillW at Ubuntu.com
Sat Feb 9 23:42:52 UTC 2013
Hi everyone,
I've tried to stay out of this, but do feel I must now back Ali up.
<start rant>
Julien wrote the guide lines for sub teams, the teams are free to arrange
themselves as they wish. From my side, on quality, I have previously used
the 'reply or be removed' and will do so again. All of the mailing lists
for all sub teams that have email groups are listed on the launchpad pages.
Let me remind you of an old adage
*There was job that needed doing......*
*Anybody could have done it....*
*Everybody thought Somebody was doing it.....*
*Nobody did it.....*
So, next time a sub-team has an ask around for 'Everybody', you may like to
bear that in mind. Active you may not need to be... But we do ask that you
have a pulse and will at least take the time to reply to an email which is
asking if you are still 'alive'. The behind the scenes stuff that makes
lubuntu 'work' is a frighteningly small group, that the sub-teams ask for
who is there to help? They have every right to know who will help out. We
used to hold weekly meetings to announce progress. Owing to a large amount
of apathy, they fell by the way side.
The sub-teams will not fail lubuntu, but they are fully entitled to know
who is 'alive'.
</end rant>
Regards,
Phill.
On 9 February 2013 21:22, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for sharing your opinion, we really appreciate that.
>
> Would you please be so kind and read this:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams
>
> Before joining any sub-team, one should really read that page. Problem is,
> most of the time/cases, people don't actually read carefully, they just
> send a request to join and if they read, they may forget that. That is
> simply why we keep our Wiki area up-to-date.
> Thanks to our Wiki and Docs Team, they are doing a huge great job to keep
> that area our finest and most up-to-date area. Big thanks to them.
>
> Thanks :)
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:13 PM, <davidson at ling.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>> He also notes precedent for updating the membership list. I don't see
>>> that anyone has identified a real problem here.
>>>
>>
>> during the process of joining a list, one usually encounters a
>> statement of list policies, leading one to expect certain things and
>> not to expect others.
>>
>> a statement like the following would probably prevent some
>> misunderstandings, if it is not already included as part of the
>> subscription process:
>>
>> "occassionally you will receive messages from the list owner. some of
>> these will request your timely response. failure to respond to such
>> messages within a fortnight will result in your removal from the
>> list."
>>
>> not belonging to the lists in question, i withhold my opinion of the
>> policy.
>>
>> but whatever policies are in effect, when they are unclear then they
>> will inevitably disturb someone by surprise, who will become upset in
>> proportion to how much they value the project. at least, this is what
>> my experience with volunteer projects leads me to expect.
>>
>> fwiw,
>> wes ----- though uncommon in practice, it is theoretically possible to
>> spell
>> 'team' without the pointy-haired boss character.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org
>> /wiki/Places_in_The_**Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_**Galaxy#Golgafrincham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, John Hupp wrote:
>>
>> I'm not affected as a member, active or inactive, of any team. But as a
>>> beneficiary I have a stake in seeing that things work well. And I'll
>>> assert that there is a big difference between dictatorship and leadership.
>>> Ali cited the clear organizing principle which defines and stresses active
>>> membership. He also notes precedent for updating the membership list. I
>>> don't see that anyone has identified a real problem here.
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2013 9:41 AM, graysooner wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Jared. If I want to drop off the mailings, I will. I don't
>>>> think anyone should remove anyone but themselves. Otherwise, you have a
>>>> dictatorship.
>>>>
>>>> Freedom is not free.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2013 8:08 AM, "Jared Norris" <jrnorris at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> jrnorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9 February 2013 19:35, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjjawad at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:amjjawad at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I have sent an email on 27th of Jan, 2013 (13 days ago) for
>>>> each member of:
>>>>
>>>> 1) https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-wiki-docs<https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs>
>>>> <https://launchpad.net/%**7Elubuntu-wiki-docs<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-wiki-docs>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> 2) https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-comms<https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms>
>>>> <https://launchpad.net/%**7Elubuntu-comms<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-comms>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> 3) https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-support<https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-support>
>>>> <https://launchpad.net/%**7Elubuntu-support<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-support>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The email had this subject: "Team Members Activity" .
>>>> Then, I have re-sent another email yesterday as a last reminder.
>>>>
>>>> Long story short, I have /removed /the_'inactive members' who
>>>> did NOT reply my email for 13 days._
>>>>
>>>> *As always, whenever you feel ready to contribute, please feel
>>>> free to re-join and you are more than welcome*.
>>>>
>>>> All your contributions were and still very much appreciated.
>>>> I'd like to thank you personally for all what you have done
>>>> and I'm sure you understand the sub-teams must remain active
>>>> and communications between the members of each team is very
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> -- *Best Regards,
>>>> amjjawad*
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>>>>
>>>> I personally haven't been affected by any of this but it seems odd
>>>> to me anyone would try to make it more difficult to join in. Just
>>>> because someone isn't active now doesn't mean they won't be able
>>>> to contribute at a later date. I'm more than happy for you guys to
>>>> do as you please but I'm a bit perplexed by purposefully removing
>>>> those who sign up to something of their own accord.
>>>>
>>>> -- Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jared Norris
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