[Lubuntu-qa] make new Lubuntu versions cooperate with Pentium M

[Nio Wiklund]

Hello amjjawad and everybody else reading this mail,

I think everybody can decide to run a linux version, that is not
supported or only partially supported with security updates. It probably
works well without any intruder stealing information or using your
system for other illegal purposes.

But I would never recommend it for somebody else, because there is an
increased risk, that the system might get compromised. And Lubuntu 12.04
will be only partially supported after October 2013.

What do you think about ronniew's LXLE? He takes '12.04 LTS
responsibility' of the Lubuntu specific packages. I don't know exactly
how he is doing that, maybe by picking new versions from upstream
sources? I think it will be safer than plain Lubuntu 12.04, but will it
be as safe as a release supported by Canonical? Or safe enough to
recommend to other people?

I'm asking, because LXLE offers support for a Lubuntu system (remix or
fork?) that works with non-pae CPUs until April 2017. So the fake-pae
issue can be solved that way and the Pentium Ms will have four more
years to run without leaving 'the Ubuntu family'.

     -o-

@amjjawad, I understand that you discourage me to continue with the
fake-pae issue.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-04-29 00:44, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> Hello guys :D
> 
> Time for me to speak my mind ;)
> 
> I don't know why until now, we can't come to an agreement about this.
> 
> May I be extra honest with all of you?
> FOR ME, and I speak only on my behalf, I think Lubuntu 12.04 is 90% an
> LTS release. Why? please read this:
> 
> http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/03/to-be-or-not-to-be.html
> 
> KEEP IN MIND, PLEASE ... that I'm not a developer, not even close.
> However, If the chart on my link is wrong, please speak up now :)
> 
> Having that said, I would not bother to find any solution for this
> issue. We have a lot of work ahead of us and IMHO, if I may to state
> that, why to fix it if it is not broken yet?
> 
> IMHO, yet again, if Lubuntu 12.04 can already breathe new life into
> these machines because The Linux Kernel in Lubuntu 12.04 is NON-PAE
> Kernel + Lubuntu 12.04 CORE SYSTEM is the same as Ubuntu 12.04 CORE
> SYSTEM = LTS ... then everything is already fine :D
> 
> The reason why I installed Lubutnu 10.04 on my test subject and sent an
> email about that 2-3 weeks ago, is to monitor this issue. To see how
> much impact could happen when your base/core system is updated but
> others parts are not.
> 
> I HAVE NO IDEA why we can't call Lubuntu 12.04 an LTS but if you ask me,
> it is unofficially an LTS version but again, I'm not a developer :)
> 
> On the other hand, why to go: Mini ISO + whatever package since Lubuntu
> 12.04 offers everything one could need?
> 
> For me? I would go for Lubuntu 12.04 on my old machine (which doesn't
> work with other systems, such us Lubuntu 12.10 and later) and stick with
> that. For how long one can expect these machines will work? above all,
> it is an old machine running a system made in April 2012 :D
> I mean, COME ONE GUYS :D why we always want to go "Latest Release" even
> on very very old machines? :D
> 
> I'm looking forward to see a unique and masterpiece release after a year
> from now. Let's save each and every energy to achieve that.
> 
> Also, if you guys really like this:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartLubuntu
> We should start discussing it.
> Clock is ticking :D
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com
> <mailto:nio.wiklund at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Julien,
> 
>     Now, that we have launched Raring, it's time to start thinking about the
>     future of Lubuntu :-)
> 
>     One thing that I hope we can achieve, is to make the next version able
>     to cooperate with Pentium M, that has no pae flag, but still the ability
>     to run i686-pae kernels of *ubuntu.
> 
>     I have verified that it works for me in an IBM Thinkpad T42 to use the
>     fake-pae method for Pentium M CPUs by 7bit according to this link
> 
>     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2113826
> 
>     This is good, but it would be great if this feature could be included in
>     Lubuntu, so that people can install a new version directly, and avoid
>     installing 12.04, add the fake-pae and upgrade to newer versions.
> 
>     *I hope you know whom to ask about the details, where and how the pae
>     feature is checked*
> 
>     I'm prepared to use my Thinkpad for testing, but I don't know enough to
>     find and change the code in Lubuntu.
> 
>     Maybe I can even try to compile the crucial package(s), if someone can
>     hold my hands until I get the tools installed to do it (compilers,
>     makefiles, source code packages etc.)
> 
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> amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/>*
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