Meeting Minutes online 2012-05-16 (was: Re: Meeting tonight?)

Mario Behling mb at
Sat May 19 23:04:14 UTC 2012

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jared Norris <jrnorris at> wrote:
> On 17 May 2012 10:33, Jonathan Marsden <jmarsden at> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2012, Matthew Byers <faintstlsaint at> wrote:
>>> Yea thats why i asked due to meetings being canceled. Glad to know
>>> back on track. Well let us different timezone folks know when minutes
>>> are posted ;)
>> IRC Logs from todays Lubuntu Team meeting are at
>> and now also formatted on the wiki at
>> There are no plans to change the meeting time away from the
>> usual Wednesdays at 20:00UTC, as far as I know.
>> Jonathan
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> I read the meeting logs as I do each week (being a UTC+10 makes most
> international meetings difficult) and my first reaction is the one
> that's always been there just growing more stronger recently. The
> questions I'd like to see answered are:
> * why do we have a need for such segregated community that we need
> subteams for such an already small team of active contributors?
> * what do the other flavours or *buntu do for community governance
> (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, etc - I looked around online and found
> one document that I'm told is out of date)?
> * is there a problem with reverting back to how it was pre sub-team
> and having a community that assists each other to achieve great
> things?
> * if there is something about Lubuntu that needs community discussion
> and direction, why aren't we using the already standard practice of
> raising bugs for wishlist things and things that aren't working to the
> best of their ability?
> I've got opinions on them all obviously and I'm not stating that mine
> are correct. I just want people to contemplate, are we making this
> harder on ourselves than we really need to?
> --
> Regards,
> Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych)


Jared, thank you for pointing us to those very important questions. I
have some points to add.

* As far as I can see actual developers joining those discussions are
very rare.
* If developers do not join, then please ask yourself, if these
discussions are relevant to making lubuntu a better system.
* Does this project need more governance, more subteams, more order,
more leaders and heads of communications, or does lubuntu rather need
more developers, designers and testers? lubuntu is a small project
with effectively a handful of longterm core contributors.
* Calling for and casting votes of groups that do not involve a number
of core contributors to the actual system or to lubuntu components can
only be regarded as - what it is - an opinion of some users in the
community. The outcome cannot be regarded as a decision for the

a) As several contributors remarked on this mailing list in one or the
other way recently, there are ongoing discussions here with a lot of
"assumption with no sources" and no real value (brother). instead of
arguing about policies, this list and project should focus on working
on the actual lubuntu distro ("spend the time to do real development",
PCMan) and improving it.

b) In regards to the small size of the contributing team, discussing
governance models and documents seems to be overdoing it a lot. Those
discussions work as an additional entry barrier, especially for many
non-native English speakers who simply do not have the time and
resources to engage in-depth. Looking at those discussions, it seems
English native speakers are the majority engaging here. Please also be
aware that times of meetings and meeting styles automatically exclude

The great thing about lubuntu is, that users have a big say in this
project and my wish is, that it stays this way. If we focus on the
actual improvements of lubuntu as a system, we will succeed to keep
this exchange open and fruitful.

All the best,


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