Matthew Byers faintstlsaint at gmail.com
Wed May 16 10:35:37 UTC 2012

I beg to differ Kelly. If you are a customer than that implies monetary
involvement in which yes ubuntu will cater to you. But if you are a home
user than you are going to take the changes to ubuntu however the
developers see fit. Again much of the user base did not want unity and some
did. Ubuntu moved to unity for the future of a mobile platform....NOT to
make every user happy or unhappy. Now please understand I do not speak for
the developers and yea it would be wise to hear the words of the user base
but if you have ever headed up a project than you would know that you
cannot and will not please everyone 100% and the time. Along with that
business there are board of directors and project leads who make the
decision of the futures of that business. You speak of business and also a
Democratic voting right. The two do not go together at all. But lets not
turn this into a flame war of opinions. This is how we got here in the
first place. Whether you like it or not you are not always going to be the
final say so in a organization but that does not have to be the case here.
I know the devs of lubuntu do listen to their supporters so you don't have
to form a lubuntu union and strike this team.
On May 16, 2012 2:10 AM, "kelly" <kelly at chiefsez.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:19:33 -0500
> Matthew Byers <stlsaint at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> It sounds messed up
> > but even if the lubuntu community vote on a certain feature...it
> > boils down to the developers. Beauty of linux....you can always use
> > another or make your own OS!!!
> </snip>
> That is ludicrous.  Which is why successful small businesses actually
> *listen* to their customers and do their utmost too implement the
> changes their customers are requesting.  Those who do continue to be
> successful.  Those who choose to ignore their customer base sooner or
> later fade from view and are forgotten.
> Gnu/Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular are no longer 'developers
> scratching their own particular itch'.  Both have grown far too large
> for that.  Both have an enormous customer base in terms of Fortune
> 100 companies, software companies who provide a tremendous amount of
> funding and developers to a project and, last but certainly not least,
> individual "users," such as myself and, I would suspect, most of the
> other people on this list.
> We the 'customer' *are* the final arbiters of Lubuntu, Ubuntu and
> Gnu/Linux itself.  Make no mistake about that.  We do indeed have the
> final vote.  We can simply move to another O/S as you brought up.  But
> we also vote with our keyboard -- telling others how screwed up
> whatever O/S we just dropped actually is.  When that happens it is the
> beginning of the end for that particular O/S. An end which is long,
> slow, painful and public.  Everybody can watch an O/S die.
> Consider Ubuntu for just a moment.  It was individual *customers* who
> voted with their keyboards -- telling any who would read just how great
> Ubuntu is.  In other words it is the customer *not* the developer who
> makes or breaks an O/S.
> Finally, I am a customer.  I am not a user.  I really would appreciate
> you keep that firmly in mind.
> --
> krp
> 0x8BCBFAB0
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