Website & download

Thu Jun 7 05:56:22 UTC 2012

Hi,

Good idea. It will be much clearer.
+1 :)

---- Aan Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:43:48 +0200 Phill Whiteside <PhillW at Ubuntu.com> schreef ---- 

Hiyas,

I have, once again, asked the docs team the "correct" way of archiving older sections of pages on the wiki. The discussion has been going on for quite some time (read as 12.04).... If, in the next 48 hours I do not have an answer off them (the wiki areas are due a major overhaul, but life does go on). I have proposed to them that we split 
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
into

GetLubuntu
GetLubuntu_11.10
 GetLubuntu_11.04

etc.

It may require GetLubuntu/11.10. GetLubuntu/11.04 I've not really tried the variants out.

That way, GetLubuntu holds just the current version and the others trip into archive areas. The only exception for current release would continue to be a mention of 10.10 which holds the iso for the really old processors, but that would just be a mention.

Do let me know your thoughts. A mock up will be made before such a large change to the wiki area.

Regards,

Phill.
On 6 June 2012 04:01, kelly <kelly at chiefsez.com> wrote:
 On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 14:21:44 +0700
 Mario Behling <mb at mariobehling.de> wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > I updated the Get Lubuntu page a bit and tried to reorder and condense
 > information in order to make it easier to find the downloads for
 > newbies. Hope it works. Would be great, if anyone could check, if I
 > got all the links and info right.
 >
 > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Mario
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Phill Whiteside <PhillW at ubuntu.com>
 > wrote:
 > >
 > > Rafael,
 > >
 > > as ever... top quality work.
 > >
 > > I'll take a couple of full sets :)
 > >
 > > Thanks,
 > >
 > > Phill.
 > >
 > > On 4 June 2012 21:08, 紳癒礁湖 <rafaellaguna at ubuntu.com> wrote:
 > >>
 > >> Yep. I like it. I made for my blog something similar (sorry,
 > >> attached image):
 > >> >snip
 > >>
 > >> ...with 4 variations. I'll calculate the size and made some
 > >> mockups, if you agree.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> El dl 04 de 06 de 2012 a les 20:34 +0100, en/na Phill Whiteside va
 > >> escriure:
 > >>
 > >> Hi Rafael,
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> I'd start with four (Lubuntu does not have arm etc. candidates).
 > >>
 > >> 1) 64-Bit (Post about 2007 computers)
 > >>
 > >> 2) 32-Bit (Pre about 2007 computers)
 > >>
 > >> 3) Mac-Intel
 > >>
 > >> 4) Mac-ppc
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> They could then be told the difference between Desktop Install and
 > >> Alternate, followed by torrent / direct download choices. As to
 > >> how make this all flow with icons etc, I'll leave that to you, who
 > >> lives and breathes graphics :)
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> I'd certainly be interested in your ideas,
 > >> as http://thesii.org/iso/ could certainly do with a make-over :)
 > >> (There are more iso's to be added there)
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Regards,
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Phill.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> On 4 June 2012 19:51, 紳癒礁湖 <rafaellaguna at ubuntu.com> wrote:
 > >>
 > >> I'm looking at Ubuntu spanish mirror and you're right, there's no
 > >> trace of Mac images. ARM may be named now Toshiba (I'm not an arch
 > >> expert, of course). But I count 12 only, maybe it depends on
 > >> mirrors. Have a look:
 > >>
 > >> http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/precise/release/
 > >>
 > >> But the idea I described in last e-mails (regarding website
 > >> design) was about including two or four buttons only, pointing
 > >> directly to the ISOs, in usual archs (32 and 64, ubiquity and
 > >> alternate, 2x2=4). Don't you think?
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> El dl 04 de 06 de 2012 a les 18:03 +0100, en/na Phill Whiteside va
 > >> escriure:
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Hi Rafael,
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> I've just had a look at the ubuntu.com site. I can't even find
 > >> mention of the Mac series of installs (to say nothing of arm
 > >> etc.)? We have a total of 9 variants for Lubuntu 12.04. Ubuntu has
 > >> 15 (excluding server edition) !
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> I'm all for a nice page with icons and descriptions, hopefully the
 > >> wiki team can come up with one.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Regards,
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Phill.
 > >>
 > >> On 4 June 2012 17:50, 紳癒礁湖 <rafaellaguna at ubuntu.com> wrote:
 > >>
 > >> Sorry, I must say what I think. The people (and I) want to see a
 > >> BIG button and easier navigation modes, as well as avoiding third
 > >> party redirected pages. Remember this
 > >> http://i.imgur.com/5W7B7.png ? That was thinking about ubuntu.com,
 > >> which is a really gret job, talking in simplicity and efficiency.
 > >>
 > >> This will happen again, by many many users.
 > >>
 > >> PS. Sorry for being so "graphics nazi", can't avoid it.
 > >>
 > >> El dl 04 de 06 de 2012 a les 16:18 +0100, en/na Phill Whiteside va
 > >> escriure:
 > >>
 > >> HI,
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> you say you were on "Get Ubuntu" ? The Lubuntu area is Get Lubuntu
 > >> [1].
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> The information on that page is up to date and covers as many the
 > >> vast array of choices available owing to the vast array of
 > >> computers that Lubuntu will run on. Please also note that none of
 > >> Lubuntu releases are LTS.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> The start to Lubuntu Documentation is at [2].
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Regards,
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Phill.
 > >> 1. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
 > >> 2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu
 > >>
 > >> On 4 June 2012 13:35, Ryan Gauger <rtgkid at gmail.com> wrote:
 > >>
 > >> On 06/04/2012 07:24 AM, Mark Ballard wrote:
 > >>
 > >> I would like to give some feedback on a user's experience trying to
 > >> download and install Lubuntu, if I may.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> It's hard to find the download page. Clicking on "Get Ubuntu"
 > >> takes  you to the help page. Then you have to rummage around on
 > >> the site to find somewhere to actually download the version you
 > >> need.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> When you do select to download, it gives you v12.04. Even after
 > >> rummaging around not possible to see any other versions to
 > >> download.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> The help page talks about other versions. It's information implies
 > >> that 11.10 is the long-term release. But there appears to be
 > >> nowhere to download the long-term release. The importance of
 > >> short-term releases became apparent to users recently when, for
 > >> example, they got shipwrecked with the short term release of
 > >> Ubuntu before the Unity overhaul. Had they stuck with the long
 > >> term release prior to that, they would not now be shipwrecked. Yes
 > >> I am speaking from experience. But what's the point of having a
 > >> long-term release if you don't make it clear to users that this is
 > >> the most advisable version to download and then point them to it?
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> The checksum info page contains info only about 11.10 checksums.
 > >> But the site downloads 12.04.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> The checksum and torrent additions to the download process have
 > >> really snarled things up for idiot users - sorry, you can't say
 > >> that, can you? It's snarled things up for 'dummies'. No, you can't
 > >> say that either, can you? Just because you are not an experienced
 > >> command-line user, administrator or nerd hobbyist, that doesn't
 > >> make you a dummy. But you are likely to have plenty else to do:
 > >> looking after kids, working over-time, fixing the car, fending off
 > >> zombies. So the install process requires that you learn about
 > >> torrent clients and command lines and checksums. That's the last
 > >> thing I need to do. That's eliminated most of the population of
 > >> the planet as potential users straight off. Point and click, man.
 > >> What's with all these complications?
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> So anyway. What I needed: a guarantee that I've got a version that
 > >> will work with the target machine: PIII, 256Mb; a long term
 > >> release version; and on the advice of this website, a checksummed
 > >> version. What I got: likelihood the version I've got doesn't work
 > >> with my machine, a short term release version, and no checksum
 > >> validation.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> On top of all that, I'm dizzy from going back and forth and round
 > >> the website for the information I need to perform this simplest of
 > >> operations: downloading a version to install.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Hello Mark,
 > >>
 > >> I'm sorry your experience with downloading Lubuntu has not been
 > >> pleasant. You can't download other versions of Ubuntu or Kubuntu
 > >> off of their websites, unless Googleing "ubuntu 11.10", "ubuntu
 > >> 11.04", etc. The latest long-term support release is Persistant
 > >> (12.04 LTS, the LTS stands for Long-Term Support). Thanks!
 > >>
 > >> In Christ,
 > >> Ryan
 > >>
 > >>
 >

Hiya,

 May I suggest on the Lubuntu/GetLubuntu page:

 1.  It be titled "Get Lubuntu" only.
 2.  All download buttons be in a single vertical column on the left
 side (the western world reads (a) top to bottom, (b) left to right).
 3.  Under the "Tips for Lubuntu," "Error Check" when you click on the
 link you are taken to "Check the ISO and CD" page.  However, if you
 then click on the "MD5 sum" link you are taken to Ubuntu
 "HowToMD5SUM."  And this is what you get:
 "This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use
 one of the page templates."  Not very helpful.
 4.  Further, under "Back up," (capitalize the 'u' for consistency), you
 could also state that not letting the installer *format* the /home
 directory, all the data will be safe.
 5.  "Main," "Lubuntu Home" link does not go to Lubuntu.net.  Instead,
 the link takes you to "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu."
 That is confusing.
 6.  All images should be listed in a single column, not just the most
 commonly used images.  Kinda like one stop shopping.
 7.  The MD5SUMS link should be listed before the image link.  Or, the
 individual MD5sum should be listed directly after (below) each image.
 I think that maybe the better way to go.

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 krp
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