[lubuntu-devel] LXQt wiki area

Phill. Whiteside phillwuk at gmail.com
Tue May 10 03:04:18 UTC 2016

Hi Walter,

I think you will find an email.... I am not totally unfamiliar with online
voting systems :)



On 10 May 2016 at 04:01, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Doodle is a polling mechanism that anyone can participate in, so got can
> include whomever you want with nothing more than a link. I'll set it up for
> you if you're unfamiliar.
> On May 9, 2016 7:58 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <phillwuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Walter,
> does Doodle have just under 8,000 people and similar for the facebook page
> (15,000)
> But, i follow orders....
> On 10 May 2016 at 03:33, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> Having it be exclusively on Facebook makes no sense. Make a Doodle poll
>> or something of the sort and link it to all the places.
>> On May 9, 2016 7:31 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <phillwuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 7,769 members
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/members/>(102 new)
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/#>
>>> just under 8,000 people.. let the vote go for 24 hours and we will
>>> accept it.
>>> The question:
>>> Hi follks, As lubutnu moves from GTK (current) to Qt (LXQt) I propose
>>> that we also move our wiki system to MediaWiki and have the moinmoin wiki
>>> for the GTK variants.
>>> +1 is for us setting up the new wiki area for Qt
>>> -1 is for us keep using moinmoin untill it gets moved to MediaWiki Is
>>> that fair?
>>> On 10 May 2016 at 03:24, Phill. Whiteside <phillwuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I was not aware it was a vote.... let me set one up for everyone to be
>>>> aware of.
>>>> Phillw
>>>> On 10 May 2016 at 03:22, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>> So what I hear is, on the proposal of making a separate wiki server
>>>>> for LXQt, the voting is as follows:
>>>>> In favor: 1
>>>>> Against: 2
>>>>> How does everyone else vote?
>>>>> On May 9, 2016 7:18 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <phillwuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Walter,
>>>>>> we have exactly ONE page for LXQt.... How is having two operating
>>>>>> systems running side by side a better case of having two wiki areas? We are
>>>>>> committed to Qt and it appears Ubuntu are committed to moving from Moinmoin
>>>>>> to MediaWiki. Have a look at
>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO and
>>>>>> tell me how the hell am I supposed to add in LXQt running along side the
>>>>>> GTK ones...
>>>>>> In my heart, I cannot see any reason NOT to have LXQt on the newer
>>>>>> MediaWiki system and keep our LTS's etc on moin. This does give everyone
>>>>>> just under 18 months to decide if we go to Qt or not. Alf is quietly
>>>>>> confident that it will be ready, and I do have faith in him and Julien
>>>>>> As for maintaining?... We will have an official release (GTK) and a
>>>>>> community respin (Qt). This may be new to some, but us old wrinklies
>>>>>> remember them.
>>>>>> There is no better time for lubuntu to run dual wiki systems as to
>>>>>> when we are running dual ISO's and ensure bugs are reported to the correct
>>>>>> version.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Phill.
>>>>>> On 10 May 2016 at 02:52, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> You seem to be missing the fact that we all agree that MediaWiki is
>>>>>>> better than Moin. I don't want two wikis to have to maintain. If we can
>>>>>>> have someone else do the work of securing and maintaining our wiki, it's
>>>>>>> less for us to deal with. It would be the same for our WordPress site of we
>>>>>>> let Canonical host. The issue is not the money, nor is it being against
>>>>>>> everything you do. It's about limiting the strain on the entire team.
>>>>>>> On May 9, 2016 6:24 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <phillwuk at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do you think lubuntu.me is not hosted with canonical, yet they
>>>>>>>> did the trade mark registration? They are paying for the domain and the
>>>>>>>> hosting comes free..... I'll chat to Alf and Julien about what wiki
>>>>>>>> structure is best, writing up a wiki structure in moin that is not
>>>>>>>> compatible with MediaWiki is foolish. Any one who thinks Canonical IS are
>>>>>>>> smarter than Fedora guys is foolish. They posted their notes up so as to
>>>>>>>> help others facing the nightmare.
>>>>>>>> But, as the two of you are 100% against everything I suggest, I'll
>>>>>>>> just go 'meh' and work with debian-lxqt which you may find is the upstream
>>>>>>>> requirements for lubuntu-lxqt.
>>>>>>>> Kindest Regards,
>>>>>>>> Phill.
>>>>>>>> On 10 May 2016 at 02:14, Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm up for what the boss, i.e. the team, agrees on, too. My vote
>>>>>>>>> is to continue to use Moin. Ubuntu is done with it and are working on
>>>>>>>>> fixing the scripts so they can move entirely over to MediaWiki. Everything
>>>>>>>>> already on Moin will get magically converted. If we make our own thing, we
>>>>>>>>> have administrative overhead to deal with.
>>>>>>>>> It's bad enough we don't have Canonical paying for our domain and
>>>>>>>>> dealing with our hosting. While we're at it can we fix that, too?
>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2016 6:08 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <phillwuk at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>> it is vote time. I'm for not the fact that even fedora devs had a
>>>>>>>>>> makeshift script to convert things from moin to mediawiki[1] Any one
>>>>>>>>>> wanting to make a new project under moinmoin is making for more work in the
>>>>>>>>>> future. But, I'm up for what the boss says.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MoinMoin
>>>>>>>>>> Is such a pain in the butt.
>>>>>>>>>> On 10 May 2016 at 01:58, Simon Quigley <tsimonq2 at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO we should write everything in MoinMoin then wait for the
>>>>>>>>>>> conversion so people can still view the wiki now and continue to hack on it
>>>>>>>>>>> but when the conversion runs, we have everything already available and set
>>>>>>>>>>> in place.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Simon Quigley
>>>>>>>>>>> tsimonq2 at ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>> tsimonq2 on Freenode
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