<div dir="ltr">Hi Walter,<div><br></div><div>I think you will find an email.... I am not totally unfamiliar with online voting systems :)</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 at 04:01, Walter Lapchynski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Doodle is a polling mechanism that anyone can participate in, so got can include whomever you want with nothing more than a link. I'll set it up for you if you're unfamiliar. </p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 9, 2016 7:58 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Walter,<div><br></div><div>does Doodle have just under 8,000 people and similar for the facebook page (15,000)</div><div><br></div><div>But, i follow orders.... </div></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 at 03:33, Walter Lapchynski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Having it be exclusively on Facebook makes no sense. Make a Doodle poll or something of the sort and link it to all the places. </p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 9, 2016 7:31 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="float:right;font-size:12px;line-height:12px;color:rgb(144,148,156);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/members/" style="color:rgb(98,122,173);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">7,769 members</a><span style="color:rgb(98,122,173);text-decoration:none;margin-left:4px"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/#" style="color:rgb(98,122,173);text-decoration:none;margin-left:4px" target="_blank">(102 new)</a></span></div><div><br><div>just under 8,000 people.. let the vote go for 24 hours and we will accept it.</div><div><br></div><div>The question:</div><div><div style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:18px;white-space:pre-wrap"><div style="direction:ltr"><span>Hi follks, As lubutnu moves from GTK (current) to Qt (LXQt) I propose that we also move our wiki system to MediaWiki and have the moinmoin wiki for the GTK variants. </span></div></div><div style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:18px;white-space:pre-wrap"><div style="direction:ltr"><span>+1 is for us setting up the new wiki area for Qt</span></div></div><div style="color:rgb(20,24,35);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:18px;white-space:pre-wrap"><div style="direction:ltr"><span>-1 is for us keep using moinmoin untill it gets moved to MediaWiki
Is that fair?</span></div></div></div><div><br></div><div style="color:rgb(144,148,156);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:12px"></div></div><div style="color:rgb(144,148,156);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:12px"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 at 03:24, Phill. Whiteside <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I was not aware it was a vote.... let me set one up for everyone to be aware of.<div><br></div><div>Phillw</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 at 03:22, Walter Lapchynski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">So what I hear is, on the proposal of making a separate wiki server for LXQt, the voting is as follows:</p>
<p dir="ltr">In favor: 1<br>
Against: 2</p>
<p dir="ltr">How does everyone else vote?</p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 9, 2016 7:18 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Walter,<div><br></div><div>we have exactly ONE page for LXQt.... How is having two operating systems running side by side a better case of having two wiki areas? We are committed to Qt and it appears Ubuntu are committed to moving from Moinmoin to MediaWiki. Have a look at <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO</a> and tell me how the hell am I supposed to add in LXQt running along side the GTK ones... <br><br>In my heart, I cannot see any reason NOT to have LXQt on the newer MediaWiki system and keep our LTS's etc on moin. This does give everyone just under 18 months to decide if we go to Qt or not. Alf is quietly confident that it will be ready, and I do have faith in him and Julien <br><br>As for maintaining?... We will have an official release (GTK) and a community respin (Qt). This may be new to some, but us old wrinklies remember them. </div><div><br></div><div>There is no better time for lubuntu to run dual wiki systems as to when we are running dual ISO's and ensure bugs are reported to the correct version.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 at 02:52, Walter Lapchynski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">You seem to be missing the fact that we all agree that MediaWiki is better than Moin. I don't want two wikis to have to maintain. If we can have someone else do the work of securing and maintaining our wiki, it's less for us to deal with. It would be the same for our WordPress site of we let Canonical host. The issue is not the money, nor is it being against everything you do. It's about limiting the strain on the entire team. </p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 9, 2016 6:24 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Why do you think <a href="http://lubuntu.me" target="_blank">lubuntu.me</a> is not hosted with canonical, yet they did the trade mark registration? They are paying for the domain and the hosting comes free..... I'll chat to Alf and Julien about what wiki structure is best, writing up a wiki structure in moin that is not compatible with MediaWiki is foolish. Any one who thinks Canonical IS are smarter than Fedora guys is foolish. They posted their notes up so as to help others facing the nightmare. <div><br></div><div>But, as the two of you are 100% against everything I suggest, I'll just go 'meh' and work with debian-lxqt which you may find is the upstream requirements for lubuntu-lxqt.</div><div><br></div><div>Kindest Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 at 02:14, Walter Lapchynski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I'm up for what the boss, i.e. the team, agrees on, too. My vote is to continue to use Moin. Ubuntu is done with it and are working on fixing the scripts so they can move entirely over to MediaWiki. Everything already on Moin will get magically converted. If we make our own thing, we have administrative overhead to deal with. </p>
<p dir="ltr">It's bad enough we don't have Canonical paying for our domain and dealing with our hosting. While we're at it can we fix that, too? </p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On May 9, 2016 6:08 PM, "Phill. Whiteside" <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Well, <br><br></div>it is vote time. I'm for not the fact that even fedora devs had a makeshift script to convert things from moin to mediawiki[1] Any one wanting to make a new project under moinmoin is making for more work in the future. But, I'm up for what the boss says. <br><br><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MoinMoin" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MoinMoin</a><br></div>Is such a pain in the butt.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2016 at 01:58, Simon Quigley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tsimonq2@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">tsimonq2@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">IMHO we should write everything in MoinMoin then wait for the conversion so people can still view the wiki now and continue to hack on it but when the conversion runs, we have everything already available and set in place.<br>
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