Loco Council, or an alternative idea of what it could be :)
Yann
yann.hamon at gmail.com
Fri Sep 28 16:24:05 BST 2007
Hello,
I received some feedback regarding my last post, most of them positive, some
of them finding my post was unfair to canonical. When I say that Canonical's
hosting sucks, I think it is great they actually ARE providing hosting. Back
some time ago this was not the case. It is not their primary role, and
criticising something which is given out for free may sound unfair, ok. But
even though these servers may be enough for locoteams which are not using
another language as english, for other locoteams which also need to run a
forum, a wiki, a planet, a lot of self developped tools to do whatever we
need (a sources.list generator, a picture gallery, a... whatever), the power
of the proposed servers and the level of reliability they provide is not
enough (raid? backup policy? 24h/ reboot?)
When I say it is hard to get these event boxes, I say it is great that
canonical are doing them, because this hasn't been always the case neither.
We were able here to get a couple of these boxes which included free flyers,
stickers, and a couple of tee shirts, and were very happy about it in the
past. Thing is, we are not able to get them anymore, and people are asking
for translated material :)
Concerning to the foundation, I stick to my view, I find it sad that it is
not being more used.
About the locoteam agreement we have, I won't get further in details how
hard it was to get it, and I doubt any other loco could get any... But we
are _very_ happy about it and for us it was a huge step in the right
direction.
In the majority of cases, people who want to support a LoCo team want to
> help a specific LoCo team, not the wider LoCo project, and I have never
> seen a company come forward to support the wider project, let alone
>
> getting into discussions as to whether they donate to a company or not.
>
>
Well, we did :) Alright, very specifical case. But when you give money to
wikipedia, do you bother saying "I want this money to be used only by
wikipedia france" or "this money should only be used by the wikipedia common
project"? No, you give the money to "the wikipedia project" which then
decides how to spend it the best way... Maybe a dodgy comparison... but I do
believe some people want to see the community as a whole and would prefer to
give to "the community" and not only "ubuntu cambridge loco"...
So please don't get me wrong. I am not here to bash Canonical and/or "fork"
the community. I am very happy that Canonical does what it does, also I have
a couple of things I am not happy with. As I told to Jono on the phone, for
me canonical is 85% good, and I am trying to help improve the other 15%.
It is definitely very good that canonical is providing the community with
Cds, hosting, and other merchandising, I can't see any other community where
this is happening. But even if Canonical does help a lot, they can not
provide for everything, and ubuntu-de and ubuntu-fr used to get in a lot of
trouble when trying to get what Canonical was not providing (tee shirts at a
time, hosting at another time, merchandising and translated flyers, banners,
posters, even train tickets in some rare cases... now). So we just want to
make it easier for other growing locoteams, which we believe may run in the
same troubles. Right now we have a company (system76) sending stickers all
over the world... people like juliux or jenda making big orders and then
dispatching it to other locos.. there was someone providing shirts for some
time too... these are all individual actions, which are great, but often
involves a lot of financial risk and higher prices than if it was done on a
larger scale.
So the idea is if 3 or 4 locos put money together to get stickers, like
12000, maybe these 3-4 locos would love to give part of the stickers to
other locos. Right now, that kind of work is very hard to achieve.
Some people were stating that Ubuntu already had a Foundation which could do
all that. I think that it would be great, but I am not sure this is going to
happen in a near future.
Yann
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