Fresh install Kubuntu 13.10: how best to partition the HD

[Basil Chupin]

On 07/11/13 16:36, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2013-11-07 15:48 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:
>
>> Felix Miata wrote:
>
>>> There is no openSUSE 13.10 now, next week, or most likely ever:
>>> https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap :-p
>
>> The number 13.10 is the same as 13.1000 or 13.1000000000 or
>> 13.100000000000000000000000000000.
>
> True. But, a numeral in a particular context is not always a number. 
> Among distro names, numerals are only part of a label, having no value 
> for the arithmetic, algebraic or other mathematical context that makes 
> 13.10 equivalent to 13.1. The openSUSE product is not openSUSE 13.10, 
> but openSUSE 13.1, just like Kubuntu 13.10 is not Kubuntu 13.1, and 
> Fedora 19 is not Fedora 19.0.
>
>>> Actually EXT2 access is available after installing an appropriate
>>> driver, according to reports I've read. It may be this has been
>>> extended to EXT3 and possibly EXT4 as well, but I don't use Windows
>>> enough to bother taking the risk.
>
>> So you don't use Windows enough to be able to make a considered comment,
>> right?
>
> wrong. You misread.
>
>> Mentioning ext2 and ext3 and anything else is only a means of confusing
>> the issue.
>
>> Using ext2 is now ancient practice as is using ext3.
>
> And yet 100% of my dozens of Linux native boot partitions are in fact 
> EXT2, 0% EXT3, and 0% EXT4. Boot partitions are little used, have no 
> material need for journaling to waste their limited space, house a 
> limited number of files of which a number are rather large and the 
> primary space consumers, and can be accessed by live Linux media 10 or 
> more years old, for maximum accessibility and compatibility. The EXT4 
> drivers used for installation and operation are perfectly content 
> using them. Newer doesn't necessarily equate to better.

That is YOU. That is what YOU are used to and want to stick with. THAT 
is YOUR prerogative.

You still insist that KDE3 is better than KDE4. That is YOUR prerogative 
to have this opinion.

You also see grub-legacy as the be and end all and that grub2 is a 
blight on the world. Again this is YOUR prerogative to see it as that.

Others don't agree with you. And that is their prerogative because they 
choose to be progressive, pragmatic and accept and contribute to the 
better development of the future.


> I have found that using the partitioner in oS it formats the
>> partitions perfectly.
>
> Depends on your definition of "perfectly". Not all formatting options 
> are necessarily available in the formatting processes available for 
> partitions formatted during installation. Formatting in advance can 
> provide access to 100% of formatting options for a given filesystem type.
>
>> Why I am suggesting for Bas to use the SystemRescueCD is that the oS
>> partitioner does not do a good NTFS format (as far as I remember, but
>> correct me if I am wrong) but GParted does do NTFS.
>
> Why do you suggest any partitioner do duty as formatter? What I wrote 
> was merely a response to the implication from what you wrote that 
> formatting by a partitioner might be advisable at any time. That any 
> partitioner may also do partitioning duty is not a rationale for 
> mixing up the concepts of partitioning with filesystem creation. One 
> necessarily precedes the other, while the latter need not follow 
> directly.

Are you being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative?

> But you also said that you don't have much experience with Windows.
>
> I have plenty, going back well over two decades. Having no compelling 
> need to use it continuously is not the same as not using it.
>
>> Windows copies its files onto the HDD. It then unarchives the files. It
>> then installs them. If there is insufficient space to do all this
>> Windows aborts
>
> Hence the reason to make the C: primary partition larger than the 
> limited space required to house Windows' booting files.

At last some glimmer of light!

My suggestion was to create one 30GB partition for W7 which will do away 
with the need for a C partition and therefore contain *all* the space 
that W7 will require to install itself (and then some [space] for future 
use).

Is this so difficult to understand and accept?

> - and you have to go back to square one.
>
> Another overstatement. Starting Windows installation on a multiboot 
> system is usually not square one. When it is, it's usually a 
> consequence of lack of experience and/or planning.

What you fail to understand and appreciate is that there are any number 
of people reading this thread who may be totally inexperienced and 
otherwise known as "newbies".

Bas asked a question. His question indicates that he is not like you, a 
real rocket scientist, when it comes to partitioning/formatting to meet 
his needs.

Have YOU asked him in this thread what his experience is? No.

I haven't either but I also do know that KISS is the best policy when 
answering questions - until the questioner reveals that s/he has some 
experience/knowledge re what they are asking about.

BC

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