12.04 is the worst yet

[Sid Boyce]

News to me - In a recent discussion in another list on the size needed 
for a /home directory I pointed out that thunderbird on my boxes 
occupies >72 GB and it's growing so saying 30GB for /home was a nonsense.

I backup thunderbird to other machines (Kubuntu and openSUSE) in case I 
have to use an alternate and especially when the main box has to go down 
for surgery.
if I use another box in the interim, when the main box is back up and 
stable, I replace .thunderbird on it, move  back the latest to it and 
carry on seamlessly.

In all the years I have been using thunderbird I have not lost an email 
or suffered a corruption by deleting or any other action.
Regards
Sid.

On 16/05/12 05:53, kubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>
> Could you please explain why Thunderbird hurts? I (or somebody else
> on this ml) may be able to help you out. For me, it works better
> than Kmail because Thunderbird automatically sets up your email
> account, but I don't think Kmail does. Thanks!
>
> The main issue that prevents me from migrating to Thunderbird is that
> its local storage is mbox and this format is very prone to corruption
> and other problems when you have too many e-mails stored or when you
> receive and delete many e-mails very often. I do both and I don't like
> the idea of having all my e-mail history in the hands of some cloud
> provider. I want a local copy of my e-mail archive. People who doesn't
> mind that can use IMAP and in this case there is no storage problem.
> KMail uses mdir (one file per message) and I've never lost an e-mail
> with it. This format also makes it easier to access any message without
> running KMail if you need to (searching a backup, for example), not
> mentioning that several processes can easily access the mail storage at
> the same time without any problem at all.
> This is the main problem, but there are many other features of KMail
> that do not exist in Thunderbird. KMail has quick shortcuts for anything
> you can imagine and you can customize them if you like. For example, I
> subscribe to many distribution lists and I can't possibly read all the
> e-mail I get from all of them, so I use the "delete thread" shortcut
> very often. If a thread does not interest me, I just CTRL+DEL it at
> once. Thunderbird has no shortcut for this nor it allows me to create
> one. It's painful to open the menu and click the delete thread command
> for every thread I want to delete, it's too time consuming. There are
> many, many other cases in which the lack of shortcuts or the
> impossibility to customize them get in the way.
> In Thunderbird, you must have a trash folder for each of your mailboxes.
> I have eight of them and surely do not want to remember which trash do I
> need to search if I want do recover a deleted message. I KMail you can
> have individual trashes if you like, but you can setup only one trash if
> you want.
> In KMail, you can configure a folder to store messages of a given
> distribution list. You filter the messages from this list to that folder
> and KMail scans the headers of the messages and automatically detects
> the commands supported by the list server. So it adds these commands to
> the right-click menu of the folder. When you right click the folder, you
> get commands like "New message to distribution list", "cancel
> subscription", and so on.
> You can also define templates and the identity that should be used by
> default when you start a new message when any given folder is selected.
> You can define which dictionary should be used by default when you
> select a given identity as the sender for a message. For me, who write
> e-mails in three different languages, it's a nice feature.
> You can configure a list of words that you normally use in the body of
> an e-mail when you send attachments (like attached, attachment, etc.),
> so KMail reminds you to attach the file if you use one of these words
> and click send without attaching any file.
>
> I can go on and on for a long time listing a huge number of features
> that exist in KMail but not in Thunderbird, but you get the idea. They
> are mostly simple features and any one of them isn't a big deal by
> itself, but when you use a lot of them and remember you will lose them
> all if you migrate, then you will think twice before you do the change.
>
> I was tempted to migrate to other e-mail client many times since when
> the KMail version from KDE 3.5.x was deprecated, because KMail is really
> buggy in its current stage. However, nevertheless I think it is still
> more advantageous to me to keep using it buggy as it is than to migrate
> for other e-mail client.
>
> []'s
> Marcelo
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 06:51:54 +0200
> From: Nils Kassube<kassube at gmx.net>
> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: 12.04 is the worst yet
> Message-ID:<201205160651.54679.kassube at gmx.net>
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> Ryan Gauger wrote:
>> Could you please explain why Thunderbird hurts?
> See my other mail from yesterday evening.
>
>> I (or somebody else
>> on this ml) may be able to help you out.
> Thanks, but I don't think that is necessary. For now I decided that I
> don't want TB but wait for a working Kmail2.
>
>> For me, it works better
>> than Kmail because Thunderbird automatically sets up your email
>> account, but I don't think Kmail does. Thanks!
> The automatic account setup is not interesting for me - I know how to do
> it manually. Granted, it saves a few minutes looking up server settings,
> but that is all easily available from my kmail settings. Importing all
> my old mail is far more important for me.
>
>> On May 14, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Nils Kassube<kassube at gmx.net>  wrote:
> It would be nice, if you would refrain from top posting. Thank you.
>
>
> Nils
>
>
>
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