Fwd: re update firefox 9 to 11

[ray burke]

Sinclair,

well how do you think I can fix  my problem?

ray

On 5/12/12, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/05/12 09:09, Basil Chupin wrote:
>> On 12/05/12 16:15, O. Sinclair wrote:
>>> On 12/05/12 07:57, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/12 07:43, ray burke wrote:
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: ray burke<rayburke30 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 06:39:18 +1000
>>>>> Subject: re update firefox 9 to 11
>>>>> To: kubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone help please-
>>>>>
>>>>> I the other day update thru kpackagekit in my k 10.10 firefox 11, but
>>>>> after i rebooted and started ff11 when
>>>>> i went online it kept crashing ,and sent a report, then tried 11
>>>>> attempts but still crashed, so I clonned back to my
>>>>> k10.10mm backup which was clonned on 23/4/12, and again using ff9, so
>>>>> how do I stop it updating to ff11,
>>>>> showing within my kpakagekit? see attached
>>>>
>>>> Ray,
>>>>
>>>> If I read what you say above correctly, you are still using v10.10 of
>>>> Kubuntu, right?
>>>>
>>>> If so then you ought to know that support by Canonical for 10.10
>>>> stopped
>>>> in April - and it is now May. (You would have received and e-mail
>>>> advising you about the EOL of 10.10 some time ago.)
>>>>
>>>> You should be upgrading to at least the next version of Kubuntu, which
>>>> is 11.04 - but keep it mind that this 11.04 will reach EOL (End Of
>>>> Life)
>>>> this coming October - ie, in 5 months time.
>>>>
>>>> You should also know that Firefox is now currently at version 12
>>>> (officially - but unofficially at v15 if you use the knightly builds).
>>>> The upgrades since v9 which you are running contain many fixes
>>>> including
>>>> security fixes.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore you would be wise to upgrade your Kubuntu which would also
>>>> upgrade your Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> BC
>>>>
>>> Wise or not wise could depend on hardware and other issues. In my
>>> experience older hardware do better with older versions of linux. That
>>> has actually been confirmed by tests done by Phoronix where "sandy
>>> bridge" et al do better with 12.04 but hardware older than that do
>>> better with 10.10.
>>>
>>> So I would say (and I live by this rule myself): don't upgrade what
>>> works for the user. I have 3 laptops in the house and there is no
>>> question about it: the older ones run happier on older releases. The
>>> newest will not even work (graphic driver issues) on anything older
>>> than 11.04.
>>>
>>> Just a word on "it is always better to upgrade". Nope it aint,
>>> upgrades can break working software/hardware relations. Linux may be
>>> brilliant but regressions are not exactly uncommon.
>>
>> Until just a few weeks ago - when I built for myself a new 64-bit system
>> - I was using a 32-bit system which I built ~7 years ago.
>>
>> In that period I have used/installed quite a number of Linux distros and
>> have never really had any hassles with any of them. Sure, when trying
>> out some beta, or something earlier, then I could get into a hassle - as
>> expected when you dealing with something like a beta - but nothing was
>> ever "fatal"; annoying yes, but not "fatal".
>>
>> Perhaps it could be said that for some 7 years I led a 'magical' life
>> with little problems re Linux software - ESPECIALLY as I am a
>> "always-keeping-up-to-date" freak. If it is the latest, I will install
>> it.
>>
>> While you are correct in saying that, "If it ain't broke don't fix it",
>> you surely have to acknowledge that when a system is declared as no
>> longer supported and that some application has been upgraded because of
>> security (and other) reasons then it is time to "move with the times"
>> and install the latest software?
>>
>> Or are you happy to argue that running Kubuntu version 5.04 is quite
>> acceptable? Or having Windows 3.1.1 still acceptable to run by those who
>> are MS zealots?
>>
>> The OP said that he is running Kubuntu 10.10 which has now reached its
>> EOL. He is also using Firefox 9 (latest version 12, with 15.0.x being
>> tested). And with this combination he is having problems.
>>
>> He may be having hassles because what he tried to update did not agree
>> with the now unsupported Kubuntu 10.10. I don't really know, but it is a
>> possibility.
>>
>> To find which is the case he should upgrade from Kubuntu 10.10 - and see
>> if his system cannot handle it; in which case he can then decide why
>> this is so and ask questions about how to go about solving his problem.
>> I say this because I don't believe that Ray can be using such an ancient
>> computer which could not handle something like Kubuntu v 11.04 at least.
>> If it now handling 10.10 then it can handle 11.04.
>>
>
> this is kind of a philosophical discussion but for starters the Windows
> 3.1 can not be compared to *buntu 10.10. It is more than 10 years
> between them. However, if I still had a 80286 pc somewhere I would not
> throw anything newer than w95 at it.
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3ODQ
> states what I am hinting at. For "older" computers (in this case more
> than 2 years) you are better off with older versions of the distro. I
> have a Dell Inspiron 6400 that runs slick on 10.10 and get various
> graphic driver issues with newer distros. I currently own a HP laptop
> that can not be used with anything older than 11.04 due to hardware
> (again the bloody graphics) issues.
>
> Security is only one part of the formula. Any linux distro is better
> than most version of Windows at whatever age. Updating to later versions
> of Open/Libre office and Firefox or Chrome can be done via their
> download sites, repositories are not the only way of upgrading
> applications.
>
> So my oldest stays on 10.10 "no matter what" because then it operates
> nicely. Newer versions chokes it and I do not have the energy to try out
> x number of distros that might be better suited for the hardware. The
> newest lappy is now on 12.04 and from how it looks might stay on that as
> now "almost everything" works as can be expected from the hardware.
>
> If I ever buy a Ivy or Sandy or something a newer release will likely be
> needed.
>
> Best,
> Sinclair
>
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