Kubuntu a dist in crisis?

[Clay Weber]

Perry wrote:
> Le Monday 26 October 2009 15:37:46 Clay Weber, vous avez écrit :
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>> On Monday 26 October 2009 03:24:22 am Ric Moore wrote:
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>>> On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 23:33 -0400, Clay Weber wrote:
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>>> Something as dumb as installing Evolution, a gnome app, I expect. Ric
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>> That's not a dumb thing to do. It *is* a Gnome app after all, so it needs
>> Gnome things. Ubuntu decides what it's packages depend on, and that is why
>> Evolution pulls in not only base Gnome things, it pulls in other
>> gnome/Ubuntu specifics as well, like pulseaudio, among other things. I
>> don't believe there is a simple way around this. It goes the other way as
>> well; installing kontact in Ubuntu pulls in tons of extras, I am sure.
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>> A way to minimize this is to install packages with apt using the ''--no-
>> install-recommends" flag. Even installing synaptic in Karmic pulls in a
>> number of extra (and unneeded in KDE) stuff. I wonder if there is a way to
>> specify this flag in apt's configuration somewhere, as well as what the
>> consequences would be?
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>>
>> clay
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> A couple of years ago I installed next to my SuSe (and M$) a gnome Ubuntu, and
> seeing it was too different from what I was used to, I installed Kde, could
> boot in both, had cluttered (K)menus with same purpose apps from both
> origins, it caused me some uncertainties about which package manager to use
> (do they share the same data base?), but I survived and so did the systems
> (until a hardware crahs occured).
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> So my question is: what is wrong in pulling some gnome stuff in Kubuntu?
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> Greetings		Perry
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It's about how much *extra* is installed along with the basic needs . At 
one time simply installing Firefox pulled in approx 100mb of (mostly 
unnecessary in KDE) Gnome bits when installed on a Kubuntu system. It is 
because by default Ubuntu installs not just the bare requirements by 
default, it also install so-called 'recommends" by default. This is why 
you get pulseaudio when installing some gnome apps. It's not a bad thing 
per se, but it can cause some complications at times.

clay