grub2 = beta?

Alvin info at
Thu Dec 10 08:44:05 UTC 2009

On Thursday 10 December 2009 09:40:43 Murray Colpman wrote:
> 2009/12/10 Knapp <magick.crow at>:
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Alvin <info at> wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 09 December 2009 21:18:29 Jerry Lapham wrote:
> >>> Just got a grub2 update for karmic which seems to indicate it's a beta.
> >>>  Is it?  If so, why did Kubuntu 9.10 make it the default?
> >>
> >> - yes, it is beta. It's not only the default in kubuntu, but in
> >> ubuntu-server as well!
> >> - Honestly, I have no idea. I have never experienced more boot issues in
> >> 7 years of Linux.
> >>
> >> I like the fact that the GNU people are giving us a better boot loader,
> >> but I don't mind waiting for more stability.
> >> In this case (Ubuntu), it was pure hubris to change the boot loader to a
> >> beta version AND pushed upstart at the same time.
> >
> > Kubuntu and it would seem Ubuntu have made this mistake over and over
> > again. We now have a bunch of software that has been shoved down our
> > mouths that is beta or beta quality. We have Dolphine, KDE4.0, GRUB2,
> > PulseAudio, the networking stuff. When are they going to learn that
> > this distro is for newbies and for pros that want it to just work. We
> > are not beta testers.
> >
> What's wrong with dolphin? It's certainly better than Konqueror as it
> has a terminal that follows you around, whereas Konqueror doesn't.
> Unless I've just missed the option.

There's nothing wrong now, but it was when Dolphin was not ready for 
production yet and pushed in KDE3. 'Cut and Paste' didn't work then and this 
was never fixed for KDE3.

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