Is this possible?

[Bogdan Bivolaru]

Hello,

I'm always happy to hear of any person trying out a Linux variant and I am
sorry this one in particular does not fit your needs. I installed Kubuntu
8.10 and, although it lacks quite a few things (starting with autohiding
unused panels), I find that I can put up with these annoyances.
I am sure KDE 4.1.2 does not fit the needs of many people, but I don't think
KDE 4 can move forward if it lacks the input of a larger userbase. KDE 4
project needs to have KDE 4.1.2 packages available to end-users, otherwise
KDE 4 will never improve. Or it will contain just developers vision and will
totally exclude endusers suggestions from the development process. But if
KDE 4.1.2 just does not work for you and you find it annoying, you should
just not use it in production systems yet. If you can, keep a test machine
around with KDE 4.1.2 packages and try to send your feedback to the rest of
the community (users + developers alike).

I, personally, think that this debate around which version to use is getting
too emotional. If you don't feel good using a program, just don't use it in
a live production system. Test it and if at any point you feel it has got
better, switch to it.

I am not a KDE developer, but speaking from my experience as a proprietary
software developer. Inside my company I advocate for the reengineering of
the product we maintain because it has got too complex to work with it any
more. Reengineering does not necesarily come from end users' need, but this
time comes from developers need. Likewise KDE developers felt that it was
getting too hard to work with KDE 3.5 any more and they needed a change.
With time they will make KDE 4 usable for you too, but they need your help
and mine to do so. Also, if the original developers & maintainers of KDE 3.5
decided that 3.5 is too hard to maintain, why do you think a new maintainer
for KDE 3.5.10 will do a better job?

You seem to be talking like what you need will never be achived with the new
code, but with sensible feedback from us I think any sound feature will make
it into KDE 4. Of course, developers have other priorities and that is why
we need to let developers know what is important to us.

In short, please try be more optimistic about KDE 4 and try it out in every
release. It is nothing we can not achieve together.


I am a new guy to supporting Linux and to mailing lists, I hope not to make
any mistakes.
Offtopic: I wrote lots of "I do", "I think", "I am" in this short story,
that is because I am just beginning to find my words.



Have fun,
Bogdan

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ian MacGregor <ardchoille42 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm retired and spend my free time helping other folks switch to Linux - I
> hold classes in my area to accomplish this. I usually offer a number of
> Linux
> distros with Kubuntu and Ubuntu being the top two.
>
> I have been using Kubuntu for a while. I spent a half an hour installing
> Kubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid) on my main machine and it usually takes me another
> twenty minutes to get up and running. Yesterday I spent two hours
> attempting
> to fix numerous bugs - I found over 20 bugs.
>
> Here's some friendly advice.. bring back KDE 3.5.10. Fork it, create a
> whole
> new DE based on 3.5.10, do something because I refuse to use KDE4* and I'll
> bet I'm not the only one.. it's the biggest pile of feces I've ever seen in
> the software world. This is a classic example of "trying to look pretty and
> sacrificing productivity in the process". At the very least, get rid of
> plasma. If KDE4 were the only desktop environment available in Linux, I
> would
> be switching to Microsoft Windows today - yes, KDE4 is _that_ bad. Luckily,
> there are other desktops.. so today, instead of wasting my time fixing the
> problems in Intrepid, I'm going to switch over to Ubuntu.
>
> I'm not going to waste my time filing bug reports because KDE4 isn't worth
> fixing. Sadly, I will no longer be able to offer Kubuntu as an option to
> the
> folks in my classes.
>
> Kubuntu has been awesome and intrepid could be awesome too but you're
> letting
> the kde project kill what once was one of the two the best distro's on the
> planet - today I'll be switching over to the other one.
>
> If it were the mission of the KDE project to force their users over to
> other
> DE's and WM's by turning their once beautiful and stable desktop
> environment
> into total garbage, then I applaud the KDE devs for accomplishing their
> mission.
>
> Regards,
> Ian MacGregor
>
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