Why do people dislike Dolphin?

[Art Alexion]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 2:14:34 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/11/5 Art Alexion <art.alexion at gmail.com>:
> > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 1:34:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> Could you post some example websites?
> >
> > http://www.pnc.com/
> >
> > Now that is a really important web site to me, because I do my banking
> > with it, but the problems occur /after/ I log in (when Konqueror allows
> > me to log in).
>
> I would appreciate if you would be very specific, offlist if you want.
> I cannot log in as I do not have an account there.

Its hard to show, because it is what isn't there, or doesn't happen.

Screen elements don't display, button clicks don't do anything.


>
> > Not only does it work in FF, but it also works on Safari on my iTouch.


Which is odd because I thought Safari was based on Konqueror's KHTML engine.  
I guess Apple has moved on from KHTML



> >
> > Another problem I seem to have a lot with Konqueror is when I do a form
> > post. The post is often successful, but Konqueror doesn't automatically
> > move to the results page.  When I force it, it complains that there is
> > unsent form data.
>
> I haven't seen this. Do you have a known-bad page that I can test on?

I don't keep track, but I will try to remember to post when it happens again.

Frankly, the only time I use Konqueror as a web browser is when it is opened 
by a link in another kde app.


>
> > The thing that most upset me about the Konqueror changes was that they
> > were taking a combination top class file manager and mediocre web browser
> > and making it merely a mediocre web browser.
>
> I know, dumb move. The thinking is that they need a dedicated web
> browser (NIH syndrome, no?) so instead of developing a new one, they
> kept Konqueror as the web browser so that yet _another_ browser would
> not be added to the browser market. WTF?

Wasn't Nautilus once a web browser and file browser, and they abandoned the 
web browser part (not vice versa)?


>
> > And this angers me as well. FOSS adapts all of the time.  Samba works
> > with windows shares; it doesn't complain that they are poorly
> > implemented.  kpdf opens and displays the Adobe Acrobat format, and
> > adapts to changes in that format; it doesn't complain about the format.
> >  OpenOffice supports ODF, but it also supports the MS XML formats because
> > its users need it to; it doesn't refuse to support them because they
> > don't conform to ODF standards.
>
> I was unaware of this attitude in Konq devs. In fact, I remember
> reading about how Gmail was making it hard on konqi with the
> obfusicated javascript, and how the devs decoded it. Could you post
> links showing where konqueror devs refused to make the browser work
> with non-standard code? Because so far as I understand most of the web
> is nonstandard code.

I have been chided by standards purist for requesting this, on this list and 
elsewhere.  Perhaps googling the archive for "Konqueror w3c standards".  
Within the last month on a thread involving wine or IE, I mentioned that my 
company had bought a financial management system that used active x, so was 
IE only, and how I got IE to run on Kubuntu.  The response I got was that I 
should refuse to use web sites that weren't w3c compliant.


>
> By the way, don't get me started on OOo's implementation of ODF.


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