Ubuntu & Linspire
m-wright at eskimo.com
Fri Feb 9 01:23:04 GMT 2007
On Thursday 08 February 2007 11:33, Howard Coles wrote:
> On 2/8/07, Joe Hart <j.hart at orange.nl> wrote:
> > Well, that to me is the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm all for
> > the advancement of Linux and of it gaining popularity, but I was already
> > leary of the way they were heading...trying to remove the command line
> > from Linux is just as bad as Windows 95 taking away DOS.
> > Perhaps I have just grown out of the hand-holding of the community. I
> > don't want things easier because that makes them transparent. Perhaps
> > Debian itself is a better alternative. At least that community is the
> > one that is doing most of the work, and THEY know when things are
> > stable. The only downside is that they support too many different
> > architectures that hold them back. There are others...
> > Let Ubuntu/Mepis/Linspire/Mint be for the new converts. The real
> > hackers won't run them anyway. You want good information, you need to
> > turn to Debian and since Dapper, compatibility with Debian has been
> > waning. Dapper is good, Edgy is OK, but I am afraid that Feisty will
> > never make it on my computer.
> > Do I hear Sid calling? Perhaps Gentoo is knocking on the door...
> > The beauty of Linux is to be able to choose. I choose control over my
> > computer.
> > The beauty of Linux lies in the fact that there is a distribution for
> > everyone. I wish all of you the best of luck.
> Whoa, guy. Relax, Ubuntu is still Debian based, which means all the
> command line utils you love are still there. I run Debian SID, and
> Kubuntu. I'm not all hung up on the proprietary thing, so for me Kubuntu
> just works better because I can easily install nVidia's Driver for example.
> The tone I hear, however, is that if its easy its evil. My question is
> what the heck is wrong with easy? The greater majority of Computer users
> out there could care less how one works, all they care about is that it
> does work. My wife, for example, could care less about how Linux does what
> it does, or about configuring some obscure driver. All she knows is that
> it doesn't have to be rebooted, and she can do what she wants without it
> So, what this CNR will do, is bring both worlds together. The apt-get
> command lines, and config files are all still there for the Hackers, and
> Techs, and the Point and Click stuff is there for the users. The fact that
> both work is a good thing to me.
I agree that easy is ok. I'm not computer illiterate in that I've written
assembly, Fortran, C and C++ code for a living (not as a professional
programmer, but as an engineer who needs to write programs on occasion), but
I'm not really a Linux power user. I want it to work and to allow me to
create documents, handle email and write and compile code. I'm transitioning
from RedHat 8 to Kubuntu Dapper and I'm pretty happy so far. I use the Linux
command line quite a bit.
I've also installed Dapper for a young college friend who doesn't understand
the technology at all. She needs word processing, PowerPoint compatibility
of a sort, and email. This is a bit of a risk, from my standpoint, but so
far it's working out very well and she's happy. She will probably never open
a terminal to use the command line.
I hope that the new arrangement between Linspire and Ubuntu will be of help to
both of us with our different sets of needs.
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