Drop PIM from the iso (default install)

[Achim Bohnet]

On Freitag, 15. September 2017 14:52:04 CEST Clive Johnston wrote:
> I know this is not going to be a popular subject for some, but I feel it
> does need debated.  I would like to propose dropping PIM (all of it) from
> the iso (Kubuntu install medium)
> 
> Here are my reasons for doing so:
> 
> 1) PIM is a system resource hog - It starts services in the background
> which lead to longer waiting times to actually boot into your desktop.  We
> tried to disable a lot of these services from auto-starting in Zesty and
> found that our default install footprint (memory and speed getting to
> desktop) was greatly reduced.
> 
> 2) Majority of people don't actually use it - I am definitely in the
> minority of Kubuntu users who actually do use PIM features, and I love it.
> However, most users do not use it but are having it installed by default.
> This means that they will then have to keep it updated, unless they
> physically remove it.
> 
> 3) iso size - PIM is a bit of a beast and is quite big size wise (when you
> consider all the dependencies).  Dropping it off the iso would make the
> total iso size smaller and will also make installation a bit quicker as
> hundreds of extra packages won't have to be installed.
> 
> 4) Upgrade overhead - Every-time a Kubuntu user does an upgrade, PIM will
> need to be upgraded too.  For those on slower internet connections (like
> myself) this can be slow and frustrating.  This is even more annoying if
> you don't even use the PIM suite!
> 
> 5) KDE neon don't install it by default - The official KDE distribution
> don't install it by default.  Probably due to the resource hogging as
> described above.
> 
> 6) Any part of the suite can easily be installed via Discover, Muon or
> Konsole by those who actually do want it.  In my opinion opting in is more
> in line with Freedoms of open source software rather than opting out (just
> personal opinion).
> 
> I'm interested in other opinions and a debate on the issue, so please reply
> to this thread.

+1.  Great summary!

All users without tech background I know simply use webmail.  So from mu experience
it makes not much sense to install KDE PIM by default.

FWIW I'm a long time KDE PIM user and fan.  Nevertheless +1 for removing it
from default installation.

Achim

> 
> Clive
> 


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