kf5 5.7 utopic backports saga

[Harald Sitter]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
<valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
> I ask again:
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Valorie Zimmerman
> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
>>> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
>>>>> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman
>>>>>>> <valorie.zimmerman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <sitter at kde.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > writing the status here before we forget it..
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the kubuntu-ninjas
>>>>>>>>>>> > PPA (after some faff failing to get the kubuntu-next/staging ppa to accept
>>>>>>>>>>> > them)
>>>>>>>>>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them causing
>>>>>>>>>>> > failed upgrades so they were deleted
>>>>>>>>>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the upgrades
>>>>>>>>>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains there is
>>>>>>>>>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though there is
>>>>>>>>>>> > not
> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> > Jonathan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My
>>>>>>>>>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and
>>>>>>>>>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1
>>>>>>>>>>> Vivid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not
>>>>>>>>>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing
>>>>>>>>>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support
>>>>>>>>>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me.  We don't seem to have the
>>>>>>>>>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade
>>>>>>>>>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a
>>>>>>>>>> tech preview and it won't get any better.
>
> ::big snip::
>
>> For now, shall I remove all advice to use next in
>> https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu which is where we
>> always point people?

Would be good I suppose. Testing on vivid is plenty more valuable at
this point anyway.

>> That wiki page should be prominent in our
>> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu space, I'm thinking.

As per usual I am confused with the wiki documentation anyway. I
distinctly remember Jon at least rewriting the CI related testing
documentation entirely and pointing that at our PPA wiki page. Alas,
that does not appear to be on the Plasma/Packages. Mostly worth crying
over.

Anyway, I don't think featuring it on the Kubuntu main page is
necessary or useful community.kde.org is for internal documentation
purposes so the majority of people should only end up there when
pointed to something specific. But if you feel it is useful by all
means add some pointer ^^

>> Since this is a matter of policy, can the rest of the council speak up please?