KUbuntu and Muon Discover

[Aleix Pol]

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman at gmail.com> wrote:
> As project maintainer for the Muon Suite, the way I see things going
> is keeping the existing QWidget-based Muon Software Center throughout
> the life of Qt/KDE4, as it will integrate best with the current
> Qt/KDE4 QWidget-based environment. I'll probably port the existing
> Software Center to Qt5 when the switch occurs in major distributions,
> but development will pretty much be "finished" in that no more new
> features will be added. Qt5 will remain mostly source-compatible with
> Qt4,so this shouldn't be more than just changing a few #includes in
> the source code. Essentially, the current Software Center will go in
> to maintenance mode.
>
> When KDE Foundations 5 bears fruit and we get a comprehensive
> KDE-standard way of writing QML applications (The Qt QML Desktop
> Components currently targeted for release for Qt 5.1 or 5.2 seem to be
> a prime candidate for this) is the time when I see Muon Discover
> "taking over the reigns" as the official app installer of the Muon
> Suite. I believe Aleix has even made a branch in Git that uses the
> alpha version of the QML Desktop Components. My main concern is that
> KDE apps will "jump the gun" with QML and start to re-implement all
> their widgets and themes in QML and lose coherence with the rest of
> the KDE desktop, and I don't want that to happen with Muon.

Yes, there's such a branch using desktop components (again video, in
case anyone is interested [1]). I must say the port from Plasma
Components to Desktop Components so it's not really a big deal.

I must say that all KDE applications won't implement their styling and
there's a very simple reason for that, we'd need a huge amount of
artwork we don't have access to :).

Anyhow, I'll make my best to have Muon Discover as much integrated
with KDE as possible.

>
> But as it stands, Muon Discover currently uses Plasma QML components
> for widgets/theming and integrates beautifully with the Plasma Active
> environment. I could very well see shipping Muon Discover next release
> as part of Kubuntu Active.

I should warn you that Muon Discover wasn't tested on any touch device
and things might not work. My interest regarding Muon Discover is for
workspace-like uses so I'm not sure I'll try that any time soon. Of
course, patches are welcome and I'll be glad to help.

>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:36 PM, James <james.cain.25 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 04:19:19 PM Aleix Pol wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>
>>> As some of you will know already, I've been working on a new Muon
>>
>>> sub-project called Muon Discover. The idea of this application is to
>>
>>> provide a comfortable application where we can navigate through all
>>
>>> repositories browse the available applications and provide the
>>
>>> (hopefully) best tool to find the closest to what the user's looking
>>
>>> for.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Here there's a video displaying what it does, in case you're just curious:
>>
>>> http://proli.net/meu/netrunner/muon-installer-qml-8.ogv
>>
>>>
>>
>>> We have created a ppa providing this (and some other stuff):
>>
>>> https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/cyber-stuff
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I'm sending this e-mail because I'd like to know what the KUbuntu
>>
>>> community thinks about this, so if you happen to have comments about
>>
>>> this, don't hesitate to answer here or contact me.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Also I'd like to remind the kubuntu community that the
>>
>>> screenshots.debian.org service is responsible for feeding us the
>>
>>> screenshots that will be displayed to the future KDE applications
>>
>>> users, so some initiative for making sure KDE applications are
>>
>>> properly represented there would be helpful, because at the moment
>>
>>> it's not on the best state (proofs [1]). I have created some tools for
>>
>>> this if somebody is interested.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Cheers!
>>
>>> Aleix
>>
>>>
>>
>>> [1]
>>
>>> http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kmail
>>
>>> http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kontact
>>
>>> http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kdevelop
>>
>>> http://screenshots.debian.net/package/okular
>>
>>
>>
>> This looks like a great start and also a much-needed tool for deepening the
>> end-user's experience. We are all maily used to the "app store" philosophy
>> now, and this is especially true for new Linux users who are used to an
>> Apple or Android-type experience. Also, I really like the sort options!
>>
>>
>>
>> One question for discussion however: How can all this be presented properly
>> to the end user so that it is not confusing? There is already potential
>> confusion withon Muon itself: new users do not understand the difference
>> between the Muon Package Manager and Muon Software Center, let alone throw
>> in Muon Update Manager. See here for expample
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you see this as a replacement for the Muon Software Center? Keep up the
>> good work :)
>>
>>
>>
>> - James Cain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[1] http://proli.net/meu/netrunner/muon-installer-desktopcomponents2.ogv