kubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 59, Issue 10

Mon Nov 9 01:41:02 GMT 2009

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>    1. Kubuntu problem (John Mutch)
>    2. Re: Project timelord - Kubuntu in one sentence (Andrea Canidio)
>    3. Re: Kubuntu problem (A. Tres Finocchiaro)
>    4. Re: wpa and broadcom card (Jonathan Jesse)
>    5. Re: wpa and broadcom card (Juan)
>    6. Re: wpa and broadcom card (Scott Kitterman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:27:04 +0000
> From: John Mutch <john.mutch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Kubuntu problem
> To: kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
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> I am new to Linux and Kubuntu and am not sure who should receive this
> information, so I will try here.  I tried to install Kubuntu on a
> Toshiba Satellite A45 2.6 GHZ, 2GB RAM, 160GB hard drive that also had
> Windows XP and Windows 7 RC installed.  There was about 10 GB hard
> drive space available for Kubuntu.  On rebooting after the Kubuntu
> installation attempt an error message appeared vice the computer boot
> :
> Grub loading
> error: No such partition
> Grub rescue >
>
> Had I known how to do it, the repair probably would have been easy.
> It seems there needs to be three Kubuntu partitions, including a swap
> file.  I don't know the proper names for these partitions nor how to
> set them up.  Clear step by step procedures would be appreciated.   It
> seems the swap file should be about 500MB from what one of the web
> sites said.
>
> I have tried to fdisk the hard drive to remove everything and start
> again, but the above error message appears every time the computer is
> rebooted and I have been unable to remove the error message.  It is
> probably easy to do from Grub rescue if the required commands are
> known.
>
> I teach an introductory computer class and have started talking about
> and showing a Linux OS to the class. Frequently at least one student
> knows a lot about Linux and most are interested in learning more.
>
> Any assistance on improving Kubuntu and explanation on how to restore
> my computer will be appreciated.
>
> John Mutch
> john.mutch at gmail.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:37:42 -0500
> From: Andrea Canidio <acanidio at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Project timelord - Kubuntu in one sentence
> To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion <kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <200911081137.42808.acanidio at gmail.com>
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> Hi everybody,
> thanks a lot for your feedback! I just wanted to make a clarification. I
> think
> it is important to find the sentence that represents Kubuntu, but is is also
> very important to do it with method. This would really help with the mission
> statement. I organized the problem in 3 steps:
>
> -what makes Kubuntu different than Ubuntu?
> -what makes Kubuntu different that other KDE distro?
>
> -What is the target-user? (given the answers to the two questions above,
> someone that likely to enjoy Kubuntu more than Ubuntu and any other distro).
>
> -how would you describe Kubuntu in one sentence? (thinking that your
> audience
> is the person described above)
>
> There are probably other ways to break it down, but this seems to me the
> simplest. Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. Maybe at one
> point it would be possible to launch a poll to see how the members of the
> community answer these questions.
> Cheers
> Andrea
>
>
>
> On Sunday 08 November 2009 03:38:24 am A. Tres Finocchiaro wrote:
>> I agree with Andrea's points that KDE users like a fancy, customizable
>> interface without much hassle.
>>
>> Here's my 2 cents.
>>
>> KDE, the Kustomized Desktop Environment (think LG, Life Is Good)
>> KDE, All flare, no fuss.
>> KDE, The Ferrari of computing.
>> KDE, Cutting Edge Computing
>> KDE, Revolutionize the Desktop
>>
>> -Tres
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:37 AM, A. Tres Finocchiaro <
>>
>> tres.finocchiaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I agree with Andrea's points that KDE users like a fancy, customizable
>> > interface without much hassle.
>> >
>> > Here's my 2 cents.
>> >
>> > KDE, the Kustomized Desktop Environment (think LG, Life Is Good)
>> > KDE, All flare, no fuss.
>> > KDE, The Ferrari of computing.
>> > KDE, Cutting Edge Computing
>> > KDE, Revolutionize the Desktop
>> >
>> > -Tres
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Dave Thacker <dthacker9 at cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Saturday 07 November 2009 18:56:50 Andrea Canidio wrote:
>> >> > I'm  a Kubuntu user and I would like to share with you my thoughts
>> >> > about project timelord, in particular about the need of a clear
>> >> > mission statement.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ubuntu is "linux for human being". This short sentence summarizes
>> >> > many
>> >>
>> >> of
>> >>
>> >> > the project goals: ease to use, simple, intuitive. Hence, for
>> >> > example,
>> >>
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >> > choice of Gnome over KDE.
>> >> >
>> >> > Can we come up with a similar sentence for Kubuntu? It seems to me
>> >> > that: -Kde is more about choice and customization than Gnome. So, it
>> >> > seems
>> >>
>> >> more
>> >>
>> >> > natural to me for  Kubuntu to target a more experienced user than
>> >> > than
>> >> > someone switching to linux for the first time.
>> >> > -If we really resolve the browser issue and the new Akonadi framework
>> >> > starts bearing fruits, it will be possible to use 100% kde apps for
>> >> > 90%
>> >>
>> >> of
>> >>
>> >> > the tasks. This implies greater integration and consistency than
>> >> > Ubuntu (since it uses Firefox and most people use Thunderbird instead
>> >> > than Evolution).
>> >> >
>> >> > Therefore:
>> >> > -with respect to other Distro, Kubuntu is easy to install: no need to
>> >>
>> >> mess
>> >>
>> >> > around for hardware recognition and so on.
>> >> > -with respect to Ubuntu, Kubuntu offers more choice and at the same
>> >> > time more consistency.
>> >> >
>> >> > The natural audience for the project is someone that love to spend
>> >> > time changing all the system settings until his desktop really look
>> >> > the way
>> >>
>> >> he
>> >>
>> >> > likes, but he hates having to waste time figuring out how to have a
>> >>
>> >> piece
>> >>
>> >> > of hardware recognized.
>> >> >
>> >> > Finally, here is my proposition "Kubuntu: be you, be cool"
>> >> > (well, this may not be exactly a piece of art, and, to be honest, I'm
>> >>
>> >> not
>> >>
>> >> > even a native english speaker, but you get the idea)
>> >>
>> >> This KDE user likes it!
>> >>
>> >> Dave Thacker
>> >> Ubuntu Nebraska LoCo Team
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:20:21 -0500
> From: "A. Tres Finocchiaro" <fatbuttlarry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kubuntu problem
> To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion <kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> The installer should create the partitions for you.  The list could likely
> give you the partition steps for a fresh install, but I haven't done that in
> years as the installer does it just fine.
>
> Is there a possibility that grub just has the partitions mixed up?  There's
> parameters you can pass to switch the mappings around, but they kind of get
> confusing.
>
> I'd seriously recommend the Ubuntu live CD (not Kubuntu) and try to follow
> some boot sector tutorials from the "users" forums, probably including
> gparted.
>
> You probably know this, but if you type the wrong command with fdisk, you
> can wipe out one of your windows drives.  I'd recommend getting a sanity
> check with gparted (or "Disk Partitioner, whatever it's called these days)
> and then trying to reinstall grub from the Live CD so that Windows 7 and XP
> are accessible.
>
> FYI, I'm dualbooting Windows 7 beta and Ubuntu 9.10 final right now on a 64
> bit box without any issues, but I used the Windows Installer from the Ubuntu
> site.
>
> -Tres
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:27 AM, John Mutch <john.mutch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am new to Linux and Kubuntu and am not sure who should receive this
>> information, so I will try here.  I tried to install Kubuntu on a
>> Toshiba Satellite A45 2.6 GHZ, 2GB RAM, 160GB hard drive that also had
>> Windows XP and Windows 7 RC installed.  There was about 10 GB hard
>> drive space available for Kubuntu.  On rebooting after the Kubuntu
>> installation attempt an error message appeared vice the computer boot
>> :
>> Grub loading
>> error: No such partition
>> Grub rescue >
>>
>> Had I known how to do it, the repair probably would have been easy.
>> It seems there needs to be three Kubuntu partitions, including a swap
>> file.  I don't know the proper names for these partitions nor how to
>> set them up.  Clear step by step procedures would be appreciated.   It
>> seems the swap file should be about 500MB from what one of the web
>> sites said.
>>
>> I have tried to fdisk the hard drive to remove everything and start
>> again, but the above error message appears every time the computer is
>> rebooted and I have been unable to remove the error message.  It is
>> probably easy to do from Grub rescue if the required commands are
>> known.
>>
>> I teach an introductory computer class and have started talking about
>> and showing a Linux OS to the class. Frequently at least one student
>> knows a lot about Linux and most are interested in learning more.
>>
>> Any assistance on improving Kubuntu and explanation on how to restore
>> my computer will be appreciated.
>>
>> John Mutch
>> john.mutch at gmail.com
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:58:31 -0500
> From: Jonathan Jesse <jjesse at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: wpa and broadcom card
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> Good afternoon guys
>
> this has reared its head today again for me.  not able to connect to my wpa
> wireless.  Was working fine, but just stopped working today.
>
> keep on getting prompted for the password which ive verified is correct
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Juan Marcelo Rodr??guez Monti <
> juan at rodriguezmonti.com.ar> wrote:
>
>> chuck adams escribi?:
>> > On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 22:39 -0300, Juan wrote:
>> >
>> >> 2009/10/19 Jonathan Jesse <jjesse at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >>> updates today fixed my problems, will let yo uknow if I continue to
>> have
>> >>> problems.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks guys :)
>> >>>
>> >> Hi guys, I'm gonna install and test. Thanks if the problem is solved!.
>> >>
>> >> Juan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I installed todays ubuntu karmic-netbook-remix-i386 iso and created
>> > bootable USB memory.  Installed into a lenovo s10 netbook.
>> >
>> > No detection of broadcom bcm4312 card.
>> >
>> I installed today, with yesterday's version of daily-live of Ubuntu, and
>> the card wasn't detected. I tried, then, the app jockey-gtk that showed
>> me two available drivers and this application crashed.
>>
>> It entered in a kind of loop, and freezed the machine. Then I killed the
>> app with kill, and the system came back.
>>
>> Again: Ubuntu Jaunty detects perfectly the card. I don't know what gone
>> wrong in the development/upgrade.
>>
>> In older versions of Karmic, I was able to install the card with certain
>> kernel version ( no the default one ), however, I wasn't able to use
>> properly because I wasn't able to connect to protected networks. I don't
>> know if this is a driver or kde-nework-manage issue.
>>
>> I hope this get better. Might be the next stable version solves this. Or
>> it's possible to use it after some tweaking.
>>
>> Thanks guys!.
>>
>> Juan
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:40:11 -0300
> From: Juan <juan at rodriguezmonti.com.ar>
> Subject: Re: wpa and broadcom card
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> 2009/11/8 Jonathan Jesse <jjesse at gmail.com>:
>> Good afternoon guys
>>
>> this has reared its head today again for me.? not able to connect to my
>> wpa
>> wireless.? Was working fine, but just stopped working today.
>>
>> keep on getting prompted for the password which ive verified is correct
>
> Hi, I had problems with Karmic 9.10 with the broadcom card, too.
>
> However, I discovered that If I use another kernel version, after
> installing the broadcom driver, the card works. So, I connect to the
> Internet with my wired connection, then I install the broadcom driver
> with aptitude or apt-get, and finally I install a new kernel version.
>
> When I install the new kernel, the driver is activated. Then, I reboot
> and the driver works. I'm using now 2.6.31-14-generi, might be you
> install a new kernel, then install the driver for the default version
> of the kernel of Karmic.
>
> I discovered another interesting thing: I was able to activate the
> driver using jockey-kde from the live cd, and it works perfectly.
> However after I install from the same live cd, I wasn't able to
> activate it, and I got the same awful problem; I press activate in
> jockey, and nothing happens.
>
> Finally, I discovered that the problem is not with the broadcom driver
> itself, I'm using now wicd insted of network manager of kde 4 that is
> still buggy.
>
> So, try a new kernel, try to use jockey-kde, try to go to
> pool-restricted after install karmic and re-install the package from
> broadcom, and finally install wicd. All that works.
>
> If you have any doubts, contact me.
>
> Juan
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:03:58 -0500
> From: Scott Kitterman <ubuntu at kitterman.com>
> Subject: Re: wpa and broadcom card
> To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion <kubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:40:11 -0300 Juan <juan at rodriguezmonti.com.ar> wrote:
>>2009/11/8 Jonathan Jesse <jjesse at gmail.com>:
>>> Good afternoon guys
>>>
>>> this has reared its head today again for me.? not able to connect to my
>>> wpa
>>> wireless.? Was working fine, but just stopped working today.
>>>
>>> keep on getting prompted for the password which ive verified is correct
>>
>>Hi, I had problems with Karmic 9.10 with the broadcom card, too.
>>
>>However, I discovered that If I use another kernel version, after
>>installing the broadcom driver, the card works. So, I connect to the
>>Internet with my wired connection, then I install the broadcom driver
>>with aptitude or apt-get, and finally I install a new kernel version.
>>
>>When I install the new kernel, the driver is activated. Then, I reboot
>>and the driver works. I'm using now 2.6.31-14-generi, might be you
>>install a new kernel, then install the driver for the default version
>>of the kernel of Karmic.
>>
>>I discovered another interesting thing: I was able to activate the
>>driver using jockey-kde from the live cd, and it works perfectly.
>>However after I install from the same live cd, I wasn't able to
>>activate it, and I got the same awful problem; I press activate in
>>jockey, and nothing happens.
>>
>>Finally, I discovered that the problem is not with the broadcom driver
>>itself, I'm using now wicd insted of network manager of kde 4 that is
>>still buggy.
>>
>>So, try a new kernel, try to use jockey-kde, try to go to
>>pool-restricted after install karmic and re-install the package from
>>broadcom, and finally install wicd. All that works.
>
> There is an item in the release notes about Jockey failing when there is no
> local package cache.  This is why it works in the live CD, but not after
> install until you connect via wired and check for updates.
>
> There's been some discussion about Jockey and Nvidia problems with different
> kernel versions on ubtuntu-devel.  I wonder if it affects wifi too?
>
> Scott K
>
>
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