Musings around environments, cloud credentials, and the new Juju Controllers

[roger peppe]

On 13 November 2015 at 11:27, John Meinel <john at arbash-meinel.com> wrote:
> But does machine-0 show up in environments outside of the controller
> environment? I thought we were intentionally hiding it to help keep your
> environments cleaner.

No, it doesn't, and that's correct, because no-one outside the initial
environment
should be able to deploy to state server machines.

The question here is whether you should see the controller environment
after bootstrap.

Personally I had no problem with the idea that the initial environment
(the bootstrapped environment) was the admin-level envirionment
that could be used to start admin-level services
and in which the machines used by the controller are visible.

As a naive user, if I did juju bootstrap followed by juju status and
saw no machines
(when it is actually using an instance) I think I'd be confused.

  cheers,
    rog.