Leaving Edubuntu

David Van Assche dvanassche at gmail.com
Mon Oct 5 19:35:59 BST 2009

forgot my reference:
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2008/01/msg00069.html

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:30 PM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com>wrote:

> Its clear you don't really know what you are talking about. Debian-edu has
> nothing to do with Edubuntu, and Vagrant C is involved with upstream LTSP,
> he has nothing to do with Edubuntu or Debian Edu for that matter. As far as
> Debian goes, Vagrant C has done some great stuff with simple-cdd (a cd based
> installer) and LTSP[1]
> I'm curious though, what specifically has he done that makes you his #1
> fan....? I'm sure he's curious too :-)
> The people you should be mentioning are Jordan Mantha who has pretty much
> single handedly done most Edubuntu packaging, triaging, and development.
> Jonathan Carter Scott Balneaves, Alkis  Georgopoulos and Stephane Graber
> have also helped out a great deal, though I couldn't get into specifics.
> I've probably forgotten others, but the point is these people don't expect
> to be put under the stage lights, they just quietly do stuff, amongst the
> bickering and complaining which drowns out anything constructive.
> "The story" has been mentioned on this list and others countless times,
> though I'm not going to start pulling out references. I just know I've heard
> it more times than I care to think about...
> Please stick to what you know, and stop confusing people who are genuinely
> here to help... If you really want to help out, the list I mentioned a
> couple of emails back would be a great starting point...
> kind regards,
> David Van Assche
> www.nubae.com
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, R. Scott Belford <scott at hosef.org> wrote:
>> David, I could not care less about being "appreciated."  The problem
>> with Edubuntu has been the void the community was left with following
>> some strategic Canonical decisions.  I was in contact with the
>> Canonical guys, they dropped the ball, and actually, we don't "all
>> know the story."  I don't see what is any more important to the
>> community right now.  The code base is now debian-edu, and I am
>> Vagrant Cascadian's #1 fan.  Edubuntu seems to be branding only, and
>> we need to be clear about it.  Are we submitting bugs to debian-edu,
>> or are we repeating their efforts, re-tracking bugs at Launchpad, and
>> calling it Edubuntu?
>> --scott
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:44 AM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I was actually looking for real items you are tackling within our
>> community
>> > (Edubuntu) right now! Outside that, yes your list of good deeds is
>> > impressive and wonderful (Most of the so called leadership can probably
>> > write a good couple pages on their good deeds too...) We all know the
>> story
>> > of how you couldn't get in contact with the Canonical guys, and how this
>> has
>> > made you feel unappreciated.  But I think there's been enough repetition
>> of
>> > that story for now, surely we can find more interesting things to talk
>> about
>> > than the failure of communication during a meeting at one of the
>> UDSes...
>> > (spilled milk comes to mind...)
>> >
>> > Anyway, this doesnt' really have much to do with giving perspective...
>> it
>> > has to do with getting things done... all the perspective in the world
>> is
>> > not gonna make any difference if it isnt followed by coding,
>> documentation,
>> > bug squashing or the hundreds of other tasks open to volunteers...
>> >
>> > kind regards,
>> > David Van Assche
>> > www.nubae.com
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM, R. Scott Belford <scott at hosef.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, people like Scott (-not- sbalneaves) would do well to involve
>> >> > themselves in 'fixing' the problem, rather than spewing destructive
>> >> > criticism at every possible turn of events. All I've ever seen from
>> your
>> >> > emails is reasons as to why the people who really are working on
>> things
>> >> > (the
>> >> > leadership you call them, though non would consider themselves that)
>> are
>> >> > doing it wrong. If that's the case, why don't YOU show us how its
>> done?
>> >>
>> >> With the greatest of respect, please allow me to clarify why I feel
>> >> that I have invested enough by now to have a valid, experienced, and
>> >> urgent perspective.  I am an advocate for users.  I am one who sews
>> >> seeds in my community in hopes of inspiring tomorrow's engineers and
>> >> software developers.  I am not a software developer, but I am a
>> >> community developer.  I am the one, and HOSEF is the charity, that has
>> >> sent pre-installed Edubuntu computers to Western Samoa, American
>> >> Samoa, San Manuel, Manila, and Isabela in the Philippines, orphans and
>> >> women rescued from the sex trade in Cambodia, and given thousands of
>> >> gnu/linux computers to individuals and schools here in Hawaii.
>> >>
>> >> When you are a foster child in Hawaii, or you have aged out of the
>> >> system, you have possibly come across me indirectly when seeking a
>> >> computer or a laptop.  You got one that was tested and pre-installed
>> >> with Debian Sarge, then it was Mandrake, then it became Edubuntu.  If
>> >> you have been lucky enough to go through my Computer Guts class, then
>> >> you are likely a foster child who learned how to build your own
>> >> computer, install software, and type a one page essay, 12-point font,
>> >> no skipping lines, on what you learned.  Chances are you were a 10-12
>> >> year old girl, and you are now only a few years away from having these
>> >> gifts blossom for you.  For about 5 years, twice a week, if you wanted
>> >> hands-on help with open source software, you wanted to donate a
>> >> computer, or you wanted to see what this 'linux thing' was all about,
>> >> you found me waiting on you at a local school or business.
>> >>
>> >> If you are transitionally homeless, then you possibly got exposed to
>> >> the K12LTSP at the Next Step homeless shelter.  If you are homeless
>> >> and on our beaches, as many are, then perhaps you have access to the
>> >> Edubuntu (now Debian) computers, with a printer and scanner and
>> >> covered by a free but filtered wifi cloud, that I manage in 4 City and
>> >> County Park recreation centers.  If you owe the State community
>> >> service time, then you can serve our 501(c)(3) mission to promote and
>> >> sustain FOSS by helping to set up our Free, donated, Gnu Linux
>> >> Edutainment Learning centers.  You can help to pick up or to deliver
>> >> donations.  Along the way you learn how kind and sharing those of us
>> >> who care of FOSS can be.
>> >>
>> >> If you are one of our 300 schools in Hawaii without enough
>> >> computers,or without enough knowledge, to bring the enterprise down to
>> >> your size, for free, then you have been helped by me and the HOSEF
>> >> volunteers.  The school project that gave birth to Fedora, now
>> >> K12Linux, is maintained to this day by me for the sole reason of
>> >> perpetuating the shining legacy that it should be.   In 2005 Hawaii
>> >> became the first K12 school system in the US to offer Linux+
>> >> certification to its students, and if you were in school then, you had
>> >> access to manuals and training due to the relationships I forged with
>> >> Novell and our DOE.  Lately, if you were Microsoft and you thought you
>> >> were going to get America's only centralized DOE to use MS Office
>> >> Live, then you were blindsided by how well-briefed and connected the
>> >> Google Apps Education Team was when they swept in out of nowhere with
>> >> a timely proposal.  You see, I am the 'linux guy' or 'that open source
>> >> guy' that all of these people turn to for help, for answers, for
>> >> support, and more, for free.
>> >>
>> >> If you are Richard Stallman, John Terpstra, Bruce Perens, Jon "maddog"
>> >> Hall, Larry Rosen, Allen Gunn, or Aaron Seigo, among others, then I or
>> >> someone kind to HOSEF has paid for you to come to Hawaii and join
>> >> guests like Andre Hill, CJ Coppersmith, Dave Pickens, Barton George,
>> >> Horst Herb, Jim Thompson, our City CIO, Hawaii Legislators, and
>> >> others, for our annual conference.  While here you might have joined
>> >> me at the Hilton Hawaiian Village where the world's A-List of Telecom
>> >> Executives - Boeing, France Telecom, ATT, Verizon, Rogers, China
>> >> Telcom, Korean Telcom, Orange, etc., etc., checked email and did their
>> >> conference web-browsing on an "e-waste" 30-station thin-client email
>> >> garden that I set up and supported for three years as a ubiquity test.
>> >>  FOSS passed in flying colors.  I did, and do, all this as a volunteer
>> >> service in reciprocity for the great software you help me use for
>> >> free.  I am hoping to inspire more creators with, and less users of,
>> >> Free and Open Source Software.  If I cannot pick up the developers
>> >> torch, then maybe they can.
>> >>
>> >> The projects I am working on now are bigger than any of this other
>> >> stuff.  I am disappointed, David, that you would personally pile on
>> >> like this without any awareness of or respect for the greater good
>> >> that I am working for.  I have admired your work using Opensuse and,
>> >> in particular, your indexing and compiling efforts of late.  I am
>> >> friend to all, and I am a defender of the newcomer, the newbie, the
>> >> person who wants to feel the vibe of Egoboo, and those who wish
>> >> someone was here to help.  Oh, and if you look at our website to find
>> >> most of this, you won't find it because I hate, no, I HATE, no,
>> >> actually, I kind of *HATE* the tedium of doing that kind of stuff and
>> >> have long wished for a Bard and a Scribe.
>> >>
>> >> I am not sure if this is "how its done", but it's what I do.  Last
>> >> year, in August, during Linuxworld 2008, I addressed my Edubuntu
>> >> issues with the most senior Canonical employees available at IBM's
>> >> reception at The W.  I set up meetings for Canonical/Ubuntu with the
>> >> University of Hawaii's CIO and the City and County of Honolulu's CIO
>> >> to catalyze a support-oriented relationship.  Canonical failed to
>> >> follow through.  Wherever you are, seriously, go get the CIO of your
>> >> State or your Country's leading University, and the CIO of America's
>> >> 11th largest City, to agree to meet with people from Canonical about
>> >> supporting a Desktop rollout only to get blown off.  Do this while
>> >> being the volunteer marketing and support department for Edubuntu and
>> >> FOSS in general, and do it for about 8 years straight, and you'll
>> >> appreciate why I find great offense that a volunteer in Ace came and
>> >> left and all I see, again, is the circling of the developer clique.
>> >>
>> >> With Aloha
>> >>
>> >> --scott
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Stephen Leacock  - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue
>> that I
>> > shall some day die, which is not so."
> --
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