call for spec suggestions

Sameer Verma sverma at
Tue Apr 15 17:08:35 BST 2008

Charles Austin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:55 AM, nigel barker <tech at> wrote:
>> I appreciate these answers, but this is far away from my needs. I am not
>>  teaching CS to high school students. I teach mostly primary and middle
>>  school classes, and we use the computer to do tasks which are useful in
>>  the mainstream classes. According to UK and International Baccalaureate
>>  curriculum documents young kids are supposed to be able to use
>>  databases. Obviously this would be a GUI app, maybe even simpler than
>>  Access. I don't know what windows schools use, but it would seem there
>>  must be something, otherwise these curriculum writers wouldn't have got
>>  these ideas.
> I wholeheartedly agree.  Teaching the very basics of database is far
> easier with a GUI - especially when it comes to concepts like primary
> keys and joins.  I deal with lower and middle school students as well
> - CLI databases is not a good way to introduce the concepts.
>>  Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>>  > On 4/14/08, Uwe Geercken <uwe.geercken at> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>  I would recommend to anyone, who wants to learn a database, to start
>>  >>  on the console. same as for learning html, jave, etc. you can always
>>  >>  switch to a GUI at a later point of time in the process but at the
>>  >>  start it is important to learn the bascis and not have a tool do the
>>  >>  work.
>>  >>
> From my experience, learning databases was pretty easy, but I had the
> Access 2.0 GUI. Maybe I am a slow or "special" learner, but I cannot
> imagine learning about cross table queries without some sort of visual
> reference.  That being said, I have been strictly MySQL (command line)
> for quite some time now.  Once you learn the basics, the CLI is far
> superior.  This is way off topic by now, but you have to learn to walk
> before you can run.
> Regards,
> Charles
Try SQL Designer. It runs in your browser and is quite visual (drag and
drop etc) and will spit out code for MySQL etc. Very neat.


Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA

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