EC Request for Consideration: WikiSite and current wiki edit projects

[Ace Suares]

Dear Stéphane, Jordan and Jonathan (the EC)

Let me be clear about this: I am totally into a functional EC and
functional meetings, that guide the work done by me and others, as far
as guiding is needed (and it is).

It is not, and has never been my intention to 'just do my thing' and not
listen to others.

At current, there is no EC meeting planned and as for the regular
meetings, there are people who want to reschedule the meetings so more
or different people can attend. There haven't been EC meetings in a long
time, either.

I would like to ask you to make haste with the scheduling of meetings,
both for the EC and the regular meetings.

Proposals for the wiki can then be entered to the agenda and then work
can start *and* finish in a reasonable time. My wish is to finish this
thing as fast as can and them come up with a proposal for the website.
Ideally, all this before Karmic release but that might be a tad optimistic.

I could write a proposal right now for the Wiki, taking into account all
what has been said and plus-oned already. Then maybe the EC could have a
Special Meeting scheduled one of these days to approve and disprove
parts of the proposal and we can get over with it.

Of course there would always be parts that need more discussion, but if
we can do the parts we agree on, then at least we are making progress.

Please don't be offended for me trying to push this issue. I know you're
all busy.

Cheers,
ace



Stéphane Graber wrote:
> Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
>> I'm just going to tag a +1 on everything I agree with here... I hope
>> that makes reaching consensus simpler :)
> 
> First of all, sorry for having kind-of missed that thread. My e-mails 
> filters are a mess at the moment. Thanks to Jordan for poking me about it.
> 
>> Jordan Mantha wrote:
>>> I think the question here is if he should be using the WikiSite
>>> namespace or not. My suggestion is that Edubuntu/WikiSite/ be used
>>> only to hold things like wiki headers, icons, and includes that are
>>> specifically for the wiki. It should not be used for actual "content".
>> <snip>
>>> I understand Ace's concern that it's difficult to rework a wiki
>>> in-place, but I think if we do it one chunk/category/area at a time
>>> the result will be much better than moving page around.
>> <snip>
>>> This seems to be a bit difficult because it seems like each team is
>>> slightly different. I would like to propose that we follow what seems
>>> to be the most common practice of teams (at least currently) :
>>>
>>> /Edubuntu/Meeting/<year>/<date>
>> +1 to all above
> 
> I agree with what was said until now regarding the namespace and the use 
> of WikiSite. For the meeting, I like the above but if it's a lot easier 
> to not have the year/date separation, then let's make it that way.
> We can always add summary pages for each year listing all pages with a 
> simple regexp in MoinMoin, so no big deal.
> 
>>>  * collect everything (whether they're logs or records, etc) under the
>>> above scheme
>>>  * the Archive page would just move it to /Edubuntu/Meeting/Archive
>>>  * /Edubuntu/Meeting have the cool <<Navigation(children)>> (thanks
>>> Ace for that) but not include every log inline.
>> +1
> 
> +1
> 
>>> However, I think Tasks, Teams, Gatherings, Photo, Video, and
>>> GrowEdubuntu belong somewhere else. I think that it is important the
>>> wiki.ubuntu.com be kept as a development wiki. I'm not sure where
>>> Gatherings, Photo, and Video fall in this regard. It makes sens if
>>> they are meant as a collection point to gather contributions, but
>>> ultimately end-users should be going to edubuntu.org to get this
>>> material.
>> That makes sense, +1.
> 
> That sounds good too as a long-term goal, not sure how fast we can 
> achieve that though.
> 
> 
> Now, about the sitemap, MoinMoin supports (AFAIK) some kind of meta-tag 
> that will list all pages matching a certain regexp. That can be used to 
> make a very simple page (2 lines or so) that will list all the pages in 
> /Edubuntu/ making it more userfriendly than having to deliberately do a 
> typo to get the list.
> 
> About the way to get changes approved, as I was telling Jordan a bit 
> earlier, I'm not a fan of gigantic mail thread on the mailing-list 
> especially as these can get quite long and boring to read.
> I'd rather like these to be quickly discussed on IRC during the EC 
> meetings that would ideally happen every two weeks (so, one regular 
> meeting every week and an EC meeting every two).
> 
> That way we can discuss that in a more efficient way and still have the 
> EC members around for approval.
> Of course only the big picture would be discussed and approved.
> I don't want to discuss every single change done on the wiki as I think 
> we can trust you (and the others who could get involved) do the required 
> changes while still keeping the wiki's integrity.
> 
> Thanks for all the work
> 
> Stéphane
>