replacement for screem

[Jordan Mantha]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah, those are my thoughts and experiences as well. Teaching kompozer
> is far easier and more logical taking web design as a full subject
> comprised of both programming and design. At a younger age, its
> doubtful they'd be playing with php/perl/ruby/whatever. The other
> option is wine+dreamweaver, but that's a proprietary solution (albeit
> the best one.)

If you had to choose between kompozer and quanta what would you pick?

> Taking this a bit further, here's a list of other apps that I think
> might have a future in edubuntu. (Be it by means of MIR or getting
> edubuntu to accept universe apps.) It by no means they should be
> included, I just wanted to open a discussion about them. Feel free to
> add to them:

I've got my own little list at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates
You've added some good thoughts here. We should probably narrow our
focus down to a handful of the best apps that compliment what we've
already got in Main (i.e. don't duplicate but are filling out the
existing selection). Now that we plan to have Universe app bundles as
well shouldn't feel so much pressure to move everything into Main. We
also need to start putting together our lists for the Universe app
bundles (Preschoo, Primary, Secondary, Tertiary).

> Squeak
We need to find some people who are willing to work with Squeak. So
far I've been the only person maintaining it and I don't use it nor
Smalltalk so I really feel someone better able to test, etc. should be
looking after it. We can, I think, basically take Debian's package
here but it should be tested.

> Blender
This is a good one to look at. It looks like it'd take bringing in a
few libs to Main but not too awful perhaps. I'm a little concerned
about stepping on Ubuntu Studio's toes on it though. Right now since
it's in Universe any of their MOTUs can upload but if we bring it into
Main we'd severely limit the number of people who can upload. Perhaps
for Jaunty we might just keep it in a Universe app bundle?

> Bluefish
Yeah, let's get this one.

> Stopmotion
Same situation as with blender but perhaps easier to get into Main.

> Celestia
Has what looks to be some Gtk1 dependencies which are a no-no for
Main. Perhaps we could fix that.

> Gnu Solfege - Music training
Needs JACK and timidity, non-trivial.

> kgeography - already in main
> klettres - already in main
These have been dropped/replaced in KDE 4

> Linux Letters and Numbers
Last upload in Debian was 2006-11-29. While it's not got any non-Main
deps or open bugs I wonder if it would be wise to put a dead project
in Main.

> Stellarium
This one looks straightforward and I'd like to see this one make it.
It's got 11 open bugs in Ubuntu, including some crashers. We'd need to
look into those.

> Freeciv
Don't have any immediate objections. I'm not sure if it would be
widely desired in educational settings. Perhaps we can get some
feedback from edubuntu-users on that.

> gbrainy
Yeah, looks like a great idea.

> pyscrabble
Looks promising. Has a few crasher bugs and will require getting
pygame into Main, which isn't bad.

> salasaga - create e learning objects, output flash...
Interesting idea. It looks pretty new, the homepage says it's alpha
software. Also the person who maintains it in Debian just became a
MOTU, I'd hate to take away his ability to upload it just now. I think
it'd be a good candidate for a Universe app bundle.

> pdfeditor
Do you mean pdfedit? If so then it's possible but it seems like it's
not very educational-user friendly

> kivio
This is already in Main (nice) but requires koffice-libs. It would be
great for the edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage though.

> Labyrinth - Mind map
freemind, labyrinth, and vym are all mind mapping tools that we could
go for. freemind and vym seem more popular based on popcon results,
which would be better for educational settings?

> Audacity
Would need JACK in Main and would need to be updated to use wxgtk 2.8
I think. Also used by Ubuntu Studio. perhaps best as Universe app
bundle.

> Jokosher
Looks like a good option. Only needs gnonlin to be brought in to Main
as well. It's got 15 open bugs, a number of crashers, but I think it's
pretty popular.

Thanks a lot for looking into these.

-Jordan