Bzr development stopped

[Chris Hecker]

I think the "it's good enough for now" argument is totally valid.  The
question is what happens with bug fixes and in flight features that
are partially in (like colo? not sure what the status of that is).  If
all the development momentum is lost, it takes more effort to get it
restarted.

Chris



On 2012/11/30 10:48, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 05:50 PM, Russel Winder wrote:
> 
>> Sorry if I gave a different impression, but yes Launchpad
>> dropped Mercurial importing because bzr-hg was flaky, but them
>> dropping it rather than fixing it is what has effectively killed
>> bzr-hg.
> 
> I'm not sure it is the Launchpad developers responsibility to fix
> bzr-hg.
> 
>> From the tone of various messages in this thread it seems that
>> Bazaar will not evolve further which means it is a dead end DVCS.
>> This implies Launchpad is a dead end, which would imply Ubuntu
>> doesn't rely on Bazaar or Launchpad, or is…
> 
> I don't agree with this.
> 
> * Bazaar is free software so it can definitely evolve further, and
> easily so, even without Canonical's support, involvement, or
> knowledge.  All it takes is a group of motivated hackers with the
> vision and resources to fork it and move it forward.  FLOSS FTW.
> 
> * Launchpad is the hub of Ubuntu development, and while it isn't
> dependent on Bazaar, I think it's a very compelling combination,
> without which, Ubuntu development would be much more difficult and
> of much lower velocity.  I can't imagine Ubuntu development without
> Launchpad, and I am convinced that developing for Ubuntu is easier
> than say developing for Debian, because of Launchpad.
> 
> * I don't speak for Canonical here, but my sense of it is that
> Canonical thinks the Launchpad+Bazaar ecosystem is Good Enough For
> Now to support Ubuntu development.  In all honesty, living in this
> world 8 hours a day, I'd have to largely agree.  From that
> perspective, reducing the 795 package import failures is more
> important to me than adding new features to Bazaar.
> 
>> In any event I am likely to migrate all my remaining Bazaar
>> branches to Git or Mercurial on either BitBucket or GitHub. Sad
>> after 8 years of Bazaar use, but a pragmatic reality.
>> Collaborators know, or at least know of, Git or Mercurial but not
>> Bazaar.
> 
> I also think that Launchpad+Bazaar is Good Enough for code hosting
> projects not related to Ubuntu, and I am not planning on moving any
> of my projects off of either any time soon.
> 
> In my experience, new contributors to my projects have more trouble
> moving from a centralized world to a distributed world, than in
> learning the handful of commands and techniques to branch, commit,
> push, merge, and propose.  I remember that cognitive hump myself.
> A little bit of IRC or email help usually gets them over that hump,
> so I have not found our choice of code hosting provider or dvcs to
> be a detriment to contributions.
> 
> I'll let the future decide itself.
> 
> Cheers, -Barry
>