bzr with bzr+ssh noisy and output muddled.

[Eric Siegerman]

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 09:53 +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
> If people don't like [progress reports] going to stderr what do they
want?
> 0 - Bugs regarding it cluttering other output fixed? ok, of course.
> 1 - An option to just turn it off?  ok, that too should be fixed.

+1 and +1

> 2 - The progress bar sent to stdout?  That seems even worse, because
> stdout is fairly often, even for commands that show progress, going to
> be eg a patch or a log you want to redirect into another file.

Please no, for exactly the reason you point out -- stdout should
not be cluttered with extraneous stuff.

> 3 - The progress sent to /dev/tty?

See my other message.

> > As for a progress reporter able to talk only when requested via
> > SIGUSR1... patches welcome[1] ! <wink>
> 
> What should it do?  I seem to recall that BSD tar(?) will write just
> one line of output to stderr when this is sent.

Yikes!

Perhaps a nice bell (or is it a whistle? :-))  But I'm guessing
that the usefulness of it will be greatly decreased once progress
reporting's other kinks have been worked out.

Besides, this sounds like a hugely invasive change -- far more so
than for a simple utility like tar.

  - Eric