Windows issue

[Alexander Belchenko]

Dave Compton пишет:
> The point that I was trying to make is that the first time cygwin/bazaar user 
> has no way of knowing what to do when he sees this error message.  An 
> improvement that does not involve the cygwin maintainers would be to enhance the 
> error message.  Perhaps something like:
> 
> "bzr: ERROR: cygwin bzr does not work for external operations.  You may want to 
> use the native windows version instead."
> 
> Of course, this message should be only on cygwin and only when this particular 
> error happens in this particular context.
> 
> Yes, the ideal would be for the cygwin folks to fix the underlying problem.  In 
> the meantime, a better error message would be helpful.   Bear in mind that "The 
> primary focus of the development team is to produce a revision control tool that 
> the *free software community will LOVE to use*."  (quoted from 
> http://bazaar-vcs.org/Bzr).  Helpful error messages are important for a tool 
> that people love to use.

Yes, and anybody free to write corresponding patch.

> 
> The cygwin maintainers were notified about this bug in January of this year: 
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/94938
> 
> - Dave
> 
> Alexander Belchenko wrote:
>> Dave Compton пишет:
>>> Alexander Belchenko wrote:
>>>> Russel Winder пишет:
>>>>> Generally I avoid all use of Windows, but from time to time I have to in
>>>>> order to test Gant to make sure it works on Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Bazaar branch on which I can do "bzr info" and "bzr status" and
>>>>> I get the results I expect but "bzr update" leads to:
>>>>>
>>>>>     bzr: ERROR: [Errno 0] Error
>>>>>
>>>>> not the most informative message :-)  I am using Bazaar from Cygwin
>>>>> which is 1.0.0 on Python 2.5.1, the repository is in pack-0.92 format.
>>>>> Is this just a problem the answer to which is "we have to wait till
>>>>> Cygwin updates to a newer version"?
>>>>
>>>> Well, it will be nice if next time you'll using different subject line, e.g.:
>>>> "Cygwin issue".
>>>>
>>>> Without looking at .bzr.log I can't say for sure why you have this message,
>>>> but there is at least one known serious bug re bzr on Cygwin:
>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/181855
>>>>
>>>> Looks very similar to your problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Although this is almost certainly a cygwin bug, from the user's perspective 
>>> it looks like a bzr failure. 
>>
>> I understand that for non-Python users it looks like bzr failure.
>> But in fact this error occurs in PyCrypto library that used by Paramiko library,
>> and Bazaar used Paramiko library directly.
>> So actually bug occurs not in bzr itself, but at 2 layers lower.
>>
>> You need to ping Cygwins maintainers to fix or workaround this.
>>
>>> This probably discourages a number of first time Bazaar users on windows - 
>>> some to the point of giving up entirely on Bazaar.
>>
>> You guys have strange habits to call Cygwin by name windows.
>> I don't understand why.
>>
>>> Is there be any way to do *something* more immediate to help a cygwin/bzr 
>>> user who sees this problem?  Maybe the cygwin bug can be coded around.  If 
>>> not, could the error message be changed to give some direction regarding what 
>>> the user can do to work around the problem?
>>
>> I don't know. I'm not expert in Cygwin and prefer to not using it when I can.
>