[2016-Goal#1] A NEW Server for Ubuntu GNOME
Ali/amjjawad
amjjawad at gnome.org
Sat Jan 2 23:46:06 UTC 2016
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jasper Backer <jasper at jbacker.nl> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hi,
> I can provide a proper virtual machine on my dedicated server for the
> project. That box will stay up no matter what as I am dependant on it as
> well :)
>
Thanks. We need to have 1-2-1 chat later IN CASE we want to consider that
option. I can't confirm now. I have very bad experience with 'free' hosting
services. No offence, I'm just sharing my experience and I don't mean
anything bad here.
>
> But indeed, first seek some help. If L/X/Kubuntu have rather proper
> websites, we should be able to get this running as well. Maybe ask for some
> expertise on the other projects teams?
>
This is still fresh :)
Sharing it with all of you:
<knome> to you too
> <amjjawad> Thanks
> <knome> so, what's the question?
> <amjjawad> ubuntugnome.org is hosted with Canonical AFAIK. I can't even
> update WordPress, nor install any plug-in nor do anything whatsoever.
> <amjjawad> I can only create pages and add posts, that's all.
> <knome> you can send requests via rt.ubuntu.com
> <knome> that's how canonical-hosted sites work
> <amjjawad> For Xubuntu, do you guys host with them too?
> <knome> yes
> <amjjawad> website + ISOs too?
> <knome> yes
> <amjjawad> From your own experience, do you think it's a bad idea to host
> somewhere else? should we stick with them?
> <knome> there are benefits with both ways
> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has joined #xubuntu-devel
> * thc202 (~thc202 at unaffiliated/thc202) has left #xubuntu-devel ("Leaving")
> <knome> when you host with canonical, and have figured out a stable
> environment, you don't have to deal with the maintaining overhead yourself
> <knome> and by stable environment i mean you know which theme/plugins you
> want to use
> <amjjawad> True. We're planning to replace the current website with a
> better designed one. However, due to limited access, we're unable to do
> that and I was wondering how to do it but now, you told I need to contact
> rt.ubuntu.com
> <knome> rt.ubuntu.com is where you can request canonical to update the
> website files with new ones
> <amjjawad> Someone mentioned they're so slow :( not sure if that's true.
> <amjjawad> I guess one way to find out is to actually send and see.
> <knome> as i said, once you have figured out a stable environment, it's ok
> <amjjawad> Yes
> <knome> our requests for theme updates are *usually* responded to within
> 1-2 days
> <knome> anyway, i would strongly suggest, regardless how you build the
> theme, to maintain it in a bzr (or any other) repository so you can ask the
> canonical IS to update to a certain revision
> <knome> this also enables them to see a diff between the version you are
> running now and the version you are requesting
> <knome> this is important because all changes more or less go through code
> review to make sure it's safe
> <amjjawad> Indeed.
> <amjjawad> Can I share this with my team?
> <knome> this is a public channel - of course
> <amjjawad> I know, just thought to double check :)
> <amjjawad> Many thanks. If that will work for us, we're sticking with
> them. If not, I have a decent web hosting service (a friend) and he has
> been a great help and just given me some discount for non-profit projects.
> We will see which option is best for us.
> <knome> good luck
> <amjjawad> To be honest, I love the design of Xubuntu. I wish I could
> build something similar.
> <amjjawad> Thank you knome appreciate your time :)
>
>
> Greets,
> Jasper
On the other hand:
Ah okay. Basically for you Ali, whatever package you choose I will give you
it for the same price as the one below. Advanced, you will get same price
as starter. Business you can have the same price as advanced and webmaster
you can have for the same price as business.
https://austenite.co.uk/
I just got special discount from my friend.
Here are our options. Let's choose wisely :)
I know whenever money is involved, people run away. Think twice before you
run away and by you, I mean all of you.
When GNOME had problem:
http://ubuntugnome.org/defend-gnome-campaign/
Look how much they had:
https://gnome.org/groupon/
*This matter is resolved!* Thank you for all the support that you have
given us! The response to this campaign was overwhelming, with 5622
individuals contributing USD 102,608.76 to help the GNOME Foundation defend
its trademark.
Why donating 1USD for Ubuntu GNOME is a HUGE issue and bad nightmare?!
Again, if I have income, I'd take care of the whole thing myself :)
Sadly, I don't and therefore, we need to work as one team.
At least, this is what I think ...
>
>
> On 02-01-16 20:36, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> I agree with Jasper that first step is to reach same hosting facilities
>> as other projects in Canonical hosting (as Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu do).
>> If this really fails, next getting some of our 2 free-cost flexible
>> offers (Jasper and mine).
>>
>> I can host those resources you are asking for, with no money (at the
>>> only cost of mention at some marginal credits).
>>>
>>
>> El 02/01/16 a les 13:40, Jasper Backer ha escrit:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> First: I've not yet been socially active on here I believe. Guess it
>>> should be time to say "Hi" :)
>>> If there's a place where I should shortly introduce myself, let me know.
>>>
>>> Now reading this.. Isn't it better to get the current hosting-related
>>> issues sorted out? I believe taking the hosting away from Canonical is a
>>> bad step. Find out who's in charge, if we *really* are restricted to the
>>> current platform as-is, etc.
>>>
>>> Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu all have decent websites and are all on the same
>>> platform. It shouldn't be impossible for us to have a proper website. If
>>> we are taking it away however, I am guessing having a proper VM/VPS
>>> somewhere is best.
>>>
>>> If it helps, on my private dedicated server I can setup an account with
>>> full FTP/SQL/etc access for the Ubuntu Gnome project to develop the new
>>> website on. Do we have DNS control of the domain?
>>>
>>> I'll even provide a VM with separate IP for the project if needed, on my
>>> server (for whatever purpose we need it, including hosting the website
>>> if we are going that route). I have enough resources (mem/disk)
>>> available and I rely on that server myself as well, so rest assured that
>>> it's being taken care of properly :)
>>>
>>> Greets,
>>> Jasper
>>>
>>> On 02-01-16 13:02, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your email :)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Narcis Garcia
>>>> <<mailto:informatica at actiu.net>informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can you remember to others?:
>>>>
>>>> 1. What are the "conflicting" Canonical limitations in current
>>>> server
>>>> 2. What are the proposals to overcome those limitations in new
>>>> server
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's 22:55 here and I'm heading to bed. So, I'll make it as short as
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> With the current server, I can't even change the theme nor update the
>>>> platform (WordPress) nor can install any plug-in ... only Canonical
>>>> people can do that AFAIK. So to change the website (design wise), I'm
>>>> not even sure what's involved? who is in charge? etc ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With a new server, we shall have 100% freedom over our website. We can
>>>> do whatever we like such us updating the website itself, updating the
>>>> platform (wordpress), install/remove plug-ins and more ..
>>>>
>>>> We're many people around and if each one donates 1-2USD, that would be
>>>> great ..
>>>>
>>>> It's our project, if we don't take care of it, who would?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El 02/01/16 a les 03:36, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > I believe the subject says it all. I personally can not accept
>>>> nor wait
>>>> > any longer for Ubuntu GNOME to have a NEW Website (we've been
>>>> going back
>>>> > and forth for ages now) and to have a new website, we need a new
>>>> server.
>>>> >
>>>> > https://austenite.co.uk/
>>>> >
>>>> > This web hosting service is for a great friend of mine. His name
>>>> is Kris
>>>> > and he lives in the UK. Doesn't really matter where he lives.
>>>> >
>>>> > Most likely, we need the "Advanced Plan" for 'more' bandwidth or
>>>> maybe
>>>> > more - not sure what kind of bandwidth do we currently have for
>>>> where
>>>> > ubuntugnome.org <http://ubuntugnome.org>
>>>> <<http://ubuntugnome.org>http://ubuntugnome.org> lives for now.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Whatever plan we need, that obviously can't be done without
>>>> paying for that.
>>>> >
>>>> > If I do have an income, I'd be more than happy to pay for the
>>>> whole
>>>> > thing but sadly, I have no income as of now. Beside, we're a
>>>> community
>>>> > project and we all should work together in my humble opinion.
>>>> >
>>>> > We have been waiting for ages and it's getting very silly to
>>>> live with
>>>> > the current 'bad looking' website. I can NOT believe we need
>>>> years just
>>>> > to do one task, that's having a new website?!. Totally non-sense
>>>> to me.
>>>> >
>>>> > Why we need our own server and not use Canonical's one?
>>>> > Simply because we shall have MORE freedom and choices.
>>>> >
>>>> > Whether you agree or disagree with my idea, we do need a website
>>>> to be
>>>> > up and running soon.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you agree, we need to donate. If each one of us donate 1USD,
>>>> I'm sure
>>>> > we can cover the cost :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Looking forward for some serious useful feedback ;)
>>>> >
>>>> > P.S.
>>>> > Why I recommended Kris? I have been dealing with him for some
>>>> years now
>>>> > and I can vouch for him. Never had one single issue with him.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>> >
>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>> > Ali
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>>
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