<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small">Thanks again.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small">Did that and no result. Found out Gmail runs well on Chromium for Ubuntu. So that's the temporary fix.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small">Best regards</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:35 PM <<a href="mailto:linux.rog@gmail.com">linux.rog@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Re TBird<br>
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Little known fact you have to change a setting on your gmail account to allow "less secure apps" to access your account:<br>
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<a href="https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en" target="_blank">https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en</a><br>
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I don't worry because TBird is trust worthy and uses good security.<br>
<br>
See also<br>
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<a href="https://www.lifewire.com/gmail-access-thunderbird-1173150" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/gmail-access-thunderbird-1173150</a><br>
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<br>
-- Roger Broseus<br>
Pls excuse auto-correction induzed tiepos.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Karel P Coors <<a href="mailto:kpcoors@gmail.com" target="_blank">kpcoors@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:klaus.maas@maasser.eu" target="_blank">klaus.maas@maasser.eu</a>, Xubuntu Support and User Discussions <<a href="mailto:xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a>><br>Sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 2:04 PM<br>Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] From 16.04 to 18.04<br><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small">Thanks much</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small">performed clean install and all well now. Except Thunderbird refuses to accept mu Gmail passwords. So i uninstalled Tbird.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:small">Best regards<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:24 AM Klaus Maas <<a href="mailto:km@maasser.eu" target="_blank">km@maasser.eu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>To Karel and Fritz (further down)<br>
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<p>Dear Karel,</p>
<p>just bad luck.</p>
<p>It happened to me once as well when upgrading from 16:04 to
18:04.<br>
I had two identical systems. On one it worked flawless, on the
other it didn't.</p>
<p>On all the other occasions (20+) no issues.</p>
<p>Once in while I do a clean install instead of an upgrade.<br>
(preparing a list of repos and installed software incl. snaps and
appimages)<br>
</p>
<p>Here is non-exhaustive list why:<br>
- because I can<br>
- it's faster to install<br>
but all software needs re-installing<br>
- I want to reconfigure the system<br>
- change of software packaging (switching between: default repo /
external repo / snap / appimage)<br>
- if I want the new system to use the new default 'setup
paradigms' <br>
- ...</p>
<p>Important ( I almost forgot):</p>
<p>There are no user data on any of the systems I maintain.<br>
Local data (including email) are always stored externally (USB3
devices).<br>
So I do not have to worry about maintaining any user data.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Klaus<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Dear Fritz,</p>
<p>it is perfectly fine that you like Windows and that it receives
so much support from hardware vendors.</p>
<p>But this is a list for Xubuntu.</p>
<p>Quite possible that there is hardware, like in your case, that
does work on Windows and not on Xubuntu.</p>
Just to be clear about it:
<p>The hardware support of whatever device in Windows does not come
from Microsoft.<br>
The drivers are developed by the hardware suppliers and, when
becoming popular enough, are bundled into Windows.</p>
<p>So the first address to complain about lacking hardware support
in Xubuntu (or any non-Windows OS) is the hardware supplier.</p>
<p>Ask them why they don't care about your needs enough to write
drivers for the OS's you are using.</p>
<p>Even if the hardware you picked up explicitly states that it
works on Linux and it doesn't, then you still need to complain to
the hardware supplier.<br>
Their responsibility.<br>
Have them write the drivers. <br>
If the quality is any good, the likelihood for the driver being
bundled is high.<br>
</p>
<p>If you do not like how Linux works then why are you using it?</p>
<p>If you want to work the Windows way, stay with Windows. No better
Windows than Windows.<br>
Or try Apple.</p>
<p><br>
Start with checking whether your XYX-thingy explicitly claims to
work on Linux (Linux-distros).<br>
As opposed to you wanting it or demanding for it to work on Linux.<br>
</p>
<p>If it doesn't you may just be out of luck.<br>
</p>
<p>Just because you can plug something into your system doesn't mean
it is prepared to talk to it properly or provide it with the
information on how to wield its features.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Klaus<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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<pre>> Michele Mor <a href="mailto:m.mor.mail@gmail.com" target="_blank"><m.mor.mail@gmail.com></a> hat am 13. November 2019 um 11:56 geschrieben:
>
> Hi Fritz,
> for performance you have to take into account that the applications ( not the
> OS) have been updated and they probably demand more memory.
> How old is your pc/laptop?
the main problem with xubuntu is the community " support "
and all the propaganda how low the resources requirement
" that it will work on any old pc a lot better then windows "
compared to what windows ?
a linux being in the last century ?
so the greatest problem being ...
that it apparently does not work with
any usb mobile broad band device
so being worthless for any one
depending on such an internet connection
one more problem is the need for this terminal use
I have been using fortran in 1978 with scientific calculators
have worked with a cad computer in 1986
using coordinate pcb development
but today we have windows
making things a lot easier ... faster
but with linux ?
still using scripts for the general user !
some thing windows does not require
since window became windows
I want to concentrate on working !
not on the computer
does any one see ?
what I am talking about ?
> I have been using Linux (xubuntu and fedora) for home and work for the past 5
> years and they are not a toy ;-)
and you do not even read what I have been writing ?
just parts of it ?
> Regards,
> Michele
>
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2019, 10:33 am Fritz Roth, < <a href="mailto:fritz.roth@galacticcentral.info" target="_blank">fritz.roth@galacticcentral.info</a>
> <a href="mailto:fritz.roth@galacticcentral.info" target="_blank"><mailto:fritz.roth@galacticcentral.info></a>> wrote:
>
> __
> .
>
> no ...
> this is not bad luck !
> but simply a good possibiliy
>
> from my experience
> having tried knoppix
> slax ... Q4OS and now xubuntu
>
> all those are miles away from
> even windows xp etc
>
> being just for some one
> having nothing to do
>
> but playing around
> with his new toy ....
>
> linux being a great idea !
> but the realization ?
>
> pure frustration ....
>
>
>
>
>> Karel P Coors < <a href="mailto:kpcoors@gmail.com" target="_blank">kpcoors@gmail.com</a> <a href="mailto:kpcoors@gmail.com" target="_blank"><mailto:kpcoors@gmail.com></a>> hat am 12.
>> November 2019 um 21:09 geschrieben:
>>
>> Here a disappointing experience: upgraded to 18.04 last weekend. Felt
>> pleasant.
>> Today hiccups with video streaming, slow Firefox and Thunderbird.
>> The inevitable warning about an error.
>> Would not shut down.
>> Unplugged.
>> Restarted. Password not recognized.
>>
>> Reinstalling 16.04
>>
>> Is this just bad luck?
>>
>> Best regards
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