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    I'm going with the option that reads "He's trolling".  Never wrestle
    with a pig.  You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.<br>
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    Justin<br>
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    On 05/03/2011 11:00 AM, ross smith wrote:
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                  <div>I would expect find apps that fit the spirit of
                    the derivative.  <br>
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            I haven't encountered that phrase before: "the spirit of the
            derivative".<br>
            What would you say is "the spirit" of Ubuntu?  Hardly
            lightweight, being a full blown Gnome distribution.  Unity
            is not lightweight either.<br>
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        <div>I never said that ubuntu was lightweight or that they
          intended their distribution to be lightweight.   </div>
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                  <div> Xubuntu, and Xfce4 are both based around the
                    idea of a lightweight but fully featured desktop.</div>
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            It certainly seems so.  But certainly not in  "the spirit
            of" Ubuntu.  Why did they bother to call it Xubuntu and yet
            leave out everything remotely like Ubuntu?  <br>
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        <div>xubuntu (and all of the other derivatives for that matter)
           has no impetus to follow along with whatever ubuntu is doing.
            That's the whole point of a derivative distribution; to do
          something different with the operating system.   What's the
          point in rolling a different distro based on the sources of
          ubuntu if you're not going to change anything?</div>
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                  <div> The apps I would expect to be included with
                    xubuntu are lighter alternatives to those in ubuntu.
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            I would certainly expect "lighter alternatives" if Xfce sat
            on top of a CLI based derivative, but I repeat:  Why did
            they bother to call it Xubuntu and yet leave out everything
            remotely like Ubuntu?   </div>
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        <div>Justin said it best:  </div>
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      Xfce sat on top of a CLI based derivative"
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      <div>Either you really don't know how linux works at all (in which
        case I'd do some reading before ranting on a mailing list...) or
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      <div>-Ross</div>
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