<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.18.3"> </HEAD> <BODY> Vincent, I don't want to re-kindle a fire - flame wars don't achieve anything - I am mainly after clarification. Looking in Synaptic, I see that the goodies are in the repositories in the 'Universe' area.  Doesn't this mean that they are part of Ubuntu or Xubuntu?  And aren't most of the goodies packages installed as part of the default xubuntu installation?  Therefore, I don't understand how they are not part of the 'main project'.  I don't doubt what you say, but can you please explain the difference. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <TT>Might be, but that doesn't mean that it should just make them all part of</TT> <TT>the main project.</TT> </BLOCKQUOTE> I also don't understand your sentence below.  Does 'DE' stand for Desktop Environment?  If so, I wouldn't have thought that anyone would think that the default install of Xubuntu was a 'full-featured desktop'.  It is a very usable desktop manager for a server, but I need to add a long list of apps and settings hacks to make it a usable desktop system for my kids.  I am not just talking about goodies here, but the list of things that I add does include goodies.  Have I misunderstood your point? <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <TT> They are specifically not part of the project so a</TT> <TT>full-features DE can be provided without everything needing to conform to</TT> <TT>the quality demands of Xfce.</TT> </BLOCKQUOTE> BTW, I think the goodies are brilliant and have said before that I think that considering that they are installed by default in Xubuntu anyway, why aren't half a dozen of them added to the top panel in the default xubuntu install?  It is easy enough to delete them, if you don't want them.  Heh, this is 'Linux for Humans' after all. Regards, David Collins </BODY> </HTML>