Hi Daniel, Thanks for giving Xubuntu a try on these computers.  And thanks for letting us know about the OEM install issues.  We'll make sure to look into those for the coming release.  I don't think that the OEM install option has been tested all that well. As for X crashing when you open the terminal, I recommend the following: To do this, you'll need to boot into an xterm session, so when the login screen comes up, click on the Sessions icon, and select Terminal session or something similar (I don't have a Xubuntu install with me at the moment).  * navigate to your /etc/X11 folder and make a backup copy of your xorg.conf file.  You can do this by entering: cd /etc/X11 sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf_backup * edit your xorg.conf file, changing the default depth from 24 to 16.  You can do this by entering: sudo nano xorg.conf  . . .  then scroll down to the Screen section, and find the DefaultDepth option.  Change that number to 16. *press control-o  (letter "O") to save the file, then press control-x to exit the nano text editor. Then exit from the xterm session, and it should bring you back to the login window.  Select an Xfce session from the session button, and proceed to login as usual. I hope this helps!  Sorry it is kind of a non-pretty way to do things, but it's hard to tell you to enter these changes into a regular terminal when the regular terminal crashes your X session!  I think that this should work, though . . .  It's a known issue on older machines, and I've helped 3 or 4 people to fix their systems using this approach. Regards, Jim Here are a couple of notes: - The Xubuntu featureset is <div>On 5/22/07, <a href="mailto:daniel.faulkner@boltblue.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">daniel.faulkner@boltblue.com </a> <<a href="mailto:daniel.faulkner@boltblue.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">daniel.faulkner@boltblue.com </a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I work at a school and we've got a few computers to sell/give away (with no software licensed for them), i've used linux for years, lately ubuntu and suggested setting up the computers with linux which seemed to go down quite well with the system manager, who was concerned at trying to sell/give away a system with no software. The computers are roughly 500Mhz intel, 128mb ram and 20gb HDD and whatever builtin graphics card is on the motherboards (used to run windows XP). The suggested ideas have either been to sell them at a few pounds each or to give the computers to any of the children who don't have a computer at home. Seems silly to pay to have the computers disposed of if we can give them a new lease of life. So as most of the computers have no CD drive (can install from an external drive or fit a CD drive for the installation period) and theres a chance won't be plugged into the internet any time soon i'm trying to decide which ubuntu varient to go with, i want it to be ubuntu based (or debian based) as it's what i've used and don't want to setup something i'm not used too. Xubuntu seems the obvious choice as it's designed around the older machine, but is it featureful enough considering that it's going to be awkward for the end user to add extra programs? Would plain ubuntu offer a more mature and better app selection and run at a reasonable speed? I guess i should find out myself, when i have time i'll try and setup one of the computers with ubuntu/xubuntu and find out the performace for myself, but i suspect i'll find ubuntu to work but slowly. I tried to test the xubuntu oem setup procedure in qemu to get an idea of the process: * There is very very little documentation on the oem process and how to customize the install (changing backgrounds/default setings etc) * Once you have logged in as the oem user and added the extra packages you want and run oem-prepare (or whatever the command was), on next logging in the OEM setup doesn't seem to (IMO) look all that nice and isn't helpped by having the default ubuntu wall paper on the screens where the new user enters his/her name. (instead of the xubuntu wallpaper which suits the theme far better and would be more consistant). * After i installed xubuntu in the virtual machine i came across a bug (reported in launchpad) where every time i tried to open a terminal X crashed. So my experience wasn't all that good, i've used xubuntu in the past and loved it on my older laptop etc. I really recommend some of the dev team try an OEM install to see what i mean about the wall paper issue (I think the process needs a little polish, i like the kubuntu oem screen shots looks very professional) Is anyone else effected by the terminal problem? This would be a bit of a show stopper if it affected those PC's. More documentation is definatly needed, it's sparse for all the ubuntu family but kubuntu and ubuntu do have a screen shot tour in the wiki of the process at least so mores needed in this respect. So any input at this point from the xubuntu community would be welcome and advice on what setup would be best (my thoughts have been leaning towards investigating xubuntu, and installing the complete openoffice suite ontop of xubuntu). Any packages other than open office you would think are essential to a stand alone setup? Daniel PS. I appreciate this is a volunteer effort and don't expect the areas i identified to be sorted just for me, i would love to help in anyway i could in what little time i have too spare lately. -------------------------------------------------------------- Sent with "Me-Mail", Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. <a href="http://www.boltblue.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.boltblue.com</a> -- xubuntu-users mailing list <a href="mailto:xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users</a> </blockquote></div> -- <a href="mailto:jwcampbell@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jwcampbell@gmail.com </a>