[xubuntu-users] Exceedingly Grateful

chris chevhq at gmail.com
Sun May 14 02:45:09 UTC 2017

On 14/05/17 11:59, Joao Monteiro wrote:
> Hi again folks,
> Thank you for your replies and understanding, appreciated.
> Not sure this will be the right place for this reply, but it is on topic
> (of gratefulness and history on how I got here). So please feel free to
> move it to wherever it may be appropriate and let me know so that I
> don’t pester anybody unecessarily again lol…
> Peter, I had my first contact with Linux actually over 15 years ago, but
> only in the last 3 did I start to probe into it on a regular basis and
> fidling with it more seriously. (BTW, I'm Ccing you here as well to se
> if I do it right)
> My very first runs were with Red Hat Linux and then Suse Linux after
> that. Bought the Red Hat Bible book in my local bookstore and used the
> installation disk it brought. The very first thing that was instantly
> noticeable was that I would require an awful lot of in-depth computing
> knowledge to get it all right – loads of command line tuning for it all
> to work fairly well.
> Same with Suse Linux; bought a box set of 5 CD’s and acompanying manual.
> Same problems as with Red Hat.
> I am from the days of ZX Spectrum connected to the tele and a tape
> recorder to load the programs and then moved onto PC with DOS. No
> windows then, just the command prompt, so had a good experience using
> it. But Linux is Unix like and Unix has by far an awful lot more of
> commands, different syntax, structure, etc.
> So, about 3 years ago I started to seriously delve into Linux, as I got
> an Asus eeepc 1000H off a colleague at work for peanuts. It paid off.
> Tried Debian, Red Hat again, Suse, Fedora and finally Ubuntu. All
> versions of linux after Ubuntu have all been Ubuntu derivatives in one
> way or another. Last year, after much reading, tried Mint and then Mate.
> Have to say that Mate was indeed the one that prevented me from finally
> giving up. It worked very well on the eeepc but still with glitches here
> and there – the main one was a constant pop up notification saying that
> something had stopped working and when I looke into it it was the Marco
> (desktop wallpaper background?). Nothing major, in all honesty, but
> somehow it still didn’t feel quite right. Funny thing is, I can’t really
> say what or why it didn’t feel quite right. Perhaps it was the ongoing
> arguing between some involved in its development/upkeeping about
> technicalities, like placing this or that in this menu or that, or using
> unity or not, I don’t now… something didn’t feel quite right for me. But
> it definitely gave me hope and encouraged me to not give up. For that I
> will always keep it at hand with gratitude.
> A few weeks ago, whilst trying to find some answers for some drivers
> issues for it, I kept coming across references to xubuntu and to the
> xfce desktop. So, digged into xubuntu info and found the 32 and 64 bit
> ISOs for a bootable USB stick. Gave it a try and the rest is history.
> It was like it had been written for the eeepc. Everything worked
> straight away without a single glitch. Mind you, Mate did work
> exceedingly well as well, but sometimes it would hang up if I had more
> than 3 applications open or if I tried to copy files with one
> application while another one was downloading something at the same
> time… stuff like that. And I didn’t know of any means to kill the
> hanging application(s) or doing a soft reset, so had to end up pushing
> the power button for a hard reset.
> With xubuntu xfce dsktop I even have a “Ctrl+Alt+Backspace” option for
> an emergency soft reset if need be, which I implemented by following the
> “10 things to do after installing xubuntu xfce”.
> Just today, prior to making my first post here, my screen started to
> display flickering running lines while I was playing some songs and
> typing a spreadsheet; went online, searched for flickering screen in
> xubuntu xfce, found a cristal clear instruction to use the command line
> to open, edit and save a file with launchpad, reboot the machine and
> voila… flickering’s gone.
> I think that the crux of the matter to me boils down to the same that
> probably affects the majority of Windows users: help. OK, seasoned
> Linuxers may rightfully argue – as I have seen – that we (Windows
> victims) are lazy and want everything served ready made. But they need
> to understand that it is not as much laziness per se, as it is a
> consequence of Windows habbit and an extremely fast paced, hectic
> working life these days – at least here in London, UK.
> To Caeser what is of Caeser: Linus Torvalds gave the world the
> undeniable marvel that it is Linux. But Bill Gates, for all his faults,
> gave the world what the common citizen needs to USE a computer… a cursor
> on a GUI and a mouse to point and click to make things work.
> This is what Linuxers need to understand… the common user doesn’t have
> any computing experience and rarely knows the difference between a bite
> and a baud. We want to switch on the machine, throw a cd or dvd into the
> drive, and then point and click on Yes, No, Maybe, Later, to install the
> operating system. Then we want to read on the screen “Done, reboot your
> computer” and once we reboot it, we want to point and click to start
> using it.
> Windows doesn’t give users any computing knowledge; it gives them
> programs that users can use by just clicking on icons or words on a GUI.
> Linux on the other hand gives users the same but educates them in
> computing by necessity along the way. As it should be, imho… I like it.
> But where often Linux falls short is in overlooking the fact that due to
> the Windows convenience, most users don’t understand the technical
> explanations required sometimes.
> Giving users an automatic point and click installation program for a
> Linux version, that does all the behind the scenes operations rquired
> for the OS to work, like Windows does, IS crucial and fudamental for a
> Windows user to start making the transition onto Linux, and no amount of
> arguing from anybody can change this truism.
> Next is the help. With most of other Linux flavours I often had
> incompatibilities of some sort that needed adjustments. And they all
> required the use of the command line in one way or another, to edit
> files, change their contents here or there, save them and rebooting. All
> nice and well, but the instructions on how to do it were for the most
> part either confusing, or not clear enough or sometimes downright
> ineffective because the steps in which they must be done were not
> presented in a correct order and I had to either figure it out by myself
> via trial and error or simply give up on it altogether as it happened on
> one occasion to try to get the wifi working with Red Hat or to get the
> correct drivers for my radeon graphics card on this Samsung R20, with
> another version that I can’t even remember anymore as I gave up on it.
> Look… if you try to explain to any Windows user that they can have the
> KDE, Gnome, Xfce or whichever other desktop with whichever version of
> linux, 99 out of 100 of them will think you are referring to the
> wallpaper… tell them about an X-window server and they will probably
> think you are talking about some Windows server system that they don’t
> want to know about because they don’t know anything about servers, they
> just work with their Windows 7 or 10 or whatever. Anedoctal or tragic
> alike, this is real and factual, for the better or the worst.
> So… having a good Help documentation that allows any user to install a
> version of Linux in a “Linux for Dummies” or “Idiots Guide to Linux”
> style , with step by step instructions, IS crucial to help Windows users
> transition to Linux. Not a matter of laziness on Windows users, my
> friends… just a matter of computing ignorance on our part, as a direct
> consequence of the way that Microsoft fed us for decades with its
> ready-to-eat-windows-meal.
> As I said before, I’m not a computer geek, but I’m no stranger to the
> command line, I actually prefer it for some tasks (much quicker and
> efficient than via the graphical applications) and I’m not afraid or shy
> of trying, experimenting and studying until I understand what’s what and
> why. But for that, I too need understandable, coherent, clear
> explanations. And let’s face it, most of the seasoned linux users forget
> that Linux newbies don’t have how to understand half of their
> instructions because they don’t have the knowledge or understanding of
> what those instructions mean or relate to.
> With Xubuntu xfce I have found not only more information to help me get
> things sorted and fixed, but I have found that information to be better
> structured and more careful in its step-by-step instructions. That said,
> justice be made to Mate, it is excellent as well.
> Downloaded the ISO file, burnt it to a USB stick, installed it on the
> laptop without a single glitch. Then followed the suggestions and
> recommendations of things to do pos-install to fine tune it and improve
> its performance as well as its safety and again it all worked without a
> glitch. Because the instructions are clear, concise and come with an
> explanation of what does what and why, so that hen one step didn’t work,
> I understood that I had to try the alternative step and why.
> It took me pains to understand that the reason that Ubuntu worked so
> erratically and sluggishly in this 2Gb RAM 64 bit machine was the low
> memory. Thank goodness I stumbled upon Xubuntu Xfce, because otherwise I
> would have spent a bit of money that right now wouldn’t be easy on extra
> memory for this machine. Xubuntu help clearly explains what to do to
> help with low memory. And guess what… it works, he he he.
> What can I say… seasoned linuxers can beat me to death with jokes and
> whatever they wish, because I’m a confessed ignorant giving my first
> steps in this new (to me) environment, but after long and exhaustive
> (and exhausting lol) trials and errors and experimentation and
> desperation, Xubuntu Xfce feels like the unexpected reward for my
> preseverance in not giving up on trying to learn linux.
> I understand it, I can work with it, I feel at ease, comfortable and
> very happy with it (which I wasn’t with Windows, so that itself is
> saying something) and above all else, it works consistently and reliably
> (so far as I am finding) in 3 very different machines with very
> different hardware and resources each one. Unless you folks let it die
> away, my search is over, because now I have a long road ahead of me to
> learn linux at my own pace, with this xubuntu xfce as my steady foundation.
> Please don’t shoot me (too hard anyway lol) for this long babbling, make
> an effort to understand my joy for this linux pearl and once again thank
> you so so so much for your work and efforts, this is a fantastic OS and
> thanks to it I can educate myself further in the linux – and computing –
> world.
> Kindest regards to all
> Joa
Well put
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