<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> To be honest, English is the least of our worries here. It is the source/primary language of the docs and I would argue anybody capable of any of the English "translations" can read them all. Having different "English" translations sounds weird to be to begin with. But more importantly, this isn't about English. What about Russian, French or Spanish? Those are languages that are used all over the world. Using the Russian, French or Spanish flags to represent those languages would be even more awkward IMO. And what about Canadian French and Canadian English? If both had translations, would they both show the Canadian flag? Wouldn't that make the flag completely irrelevant? (And again, would a Canadian English translation *really* differ from the source that much that it was worth it to both "translate" it and keep maintaining the translation?) TL;DR: (Any) flags (or combined flags) simply do not represent languages well enough that it would be sensible to use them as representative images, so please let's not. Cheers, Pasi <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14.5.2020 0.24, Yousuf Philips wrote: </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAK2QMoMyGR8no4PPBFRi+5paRq4+5f578H1r4oW=tCbgmFceGA@mail.gmail.com"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>At the sunday meeting we discussed potentially going with a half USA and half UK flag[1], which is commonly used elsewhere, though as we have 'English (GB)' as one of the documentation languages, and its using the UK flag, it doesn't seem that beneficial. Most people don't know the St George flag, so using it as flag to represent English isn't beneficial. If we had translations for 'English (CA)', 'French (CA)' and 'English (AU)', they would have those countries flags. </div> <div> </div> <div>[1] <a href="http://www.lingualearnenglish.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/flag.jpg" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.lingualearnenglish.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/flag.jpg</a></div> </div> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:17 PM Paul Sutton <<a href="mailto:zleap@disroot.org" moz-do-not-send="true">zleap@disroot.org</a>> wrote: </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> On 07/05/2020 12:48, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: > I don't know if the language names need "spicing up", but if you insist, > I guess you can look at introducing some kind of button style for the > language links, ideally matching our website looks (other parts of the > documentation follow our websites visual style as well). > > I acknowledge it's a common thing to use flags to represent languages, > but IMO, it's bad practice. > > Cheers, > Pasi > > On 7.5.2020 13.08, Yousuf Philips wrote: >> The language names are present below the flags and just having their >> names on a blank page doesn't look appealing. Any thoughts of how to >> spice it up if we were to only use the language names. >> >> It is quite common for flags to be used as language representatives, >> like for example in the keyboard layouts panel plugin as alternative >> for language name abbreviations. >> >> Regards, >> Yousuf >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:09 AM Pasi Lallinaho >> <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>>> wrote: >> >> My suggestion is to use the language names as they are >> representative of languages. Or in other words, languages do not >> have any sensible representative images, so I would not use any. >> >> Cheers, >> Pasi >> >> On 6.5.2020 17.57, Yousuf Philips wrote: >>> So what would be your suggestion and an image related to languages? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:34 AM Pasi Lallinaho >>> <<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pasi@shimmerproject.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pasi@shimmerproject.org</a>>> wrote: >>> >>> Please, no flags for languages, as they are not representative. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Pasi >>> >>> On 5.5.2020 22.00, Yousuf Philips wrote: >>>> Hi Team, >>>> >>>> Here is my idea of what the docs homepage could look like, >>>> in two variations. >>>> <a href="https://imgur.com/a/04nvIt6" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://imgur.com/a/04nvIt6</a> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 5:11 PM Yousuf Philips >>>> <<a href="mailto:ypharis@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ypharis@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ypharis@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ypharis@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Team, >>>> >>>> We had the meeting yesterday which Sean, Bernardo, >>>> Stephen, and I attended, where we discussed our plans to >>>> improve the documentation. Various meeting minutes were >>>> put into the main google doc[1] and we plan to meet once >>>> a week to discuss things to keep the pace of work going >>>> forward. Each week we'll be working on a single docs >>>> page/chapter, in a google doc I prepare, so that we all >>>> have a central place to collaborate on its improvement, >>>> and can also reach out to the community to contribute >>>> to. At each meeting we'll review the page's edits and >>>> finalize it and then it will be copied over to the git repo. >>>> >>>> Sean will be investigating various options to make it >>>> easier for contributors to help keep the docs up to >>>> date. A telegram group[2] has been created for those >>>> that want to be involved and we can bridge it with a >>>> #xubuntu-docs irc channel if there are those wanting it. >>>> >>>> So for this week, we'll be improving the main >>>> documentation homepage[3] in this google doc[4]. During >>>> the meeting we agreed upon these changes >>>> * As this page is not translated, the useful parts of >>>> the contents of this page will move to the Table of >>>> Contents (ToC) page, so that it can be translated. >>>> * The page would become just a language selector which >>>> leads to the translated ToC page. >>>> >>>> People can suggest ideas of how this language selector >>>> page can look in the google doc[4] or on the mailing list. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Yousuf >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oGNc4nDmUkhk67-S07VKhOQ7tSWXUW6ureG8N7SVM_o/edit#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oGNc4nDmUkhk67-S07VKhOQ7tSWXUW6ureG8N7SVM_o/edit#</a> >>>> [2] <a href="https://t.me/joinchat/CVgtjBP82eyMqVzhScdfAw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://t.me/joinchat/CVgtjBP82eyMqVzhScdfAw</a> >>>> [3] <a href="https://docs.xubuntu.org/2004/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.xubuntu.org/2004/</a> >>>> [4] >>>> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aj_Wdj9Uq62Ju0bvjhz15NVdaI_SaAMo8xqdU9s67YE/edit#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Aj_Wdj9Uq62Ju0bvjhz15NVdaI_SaAMo8xqdU9s67YE/edit#</a> I agree about not using flags, if you're going to use flags, perhaps use the flag of St George to represent English. Having the GB and US flags, we both speak English. what about Canada, Australia and other countries where the first language is English. But Canada is both French and English and regions are very protective of that part of their culture. Hope this helps Paul -- xubuntu-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel</a> </blockquote> </div> -- <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>Regards,</div> <div>Yousuf </div> </div> </div> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) › <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://open.knome.fi/">https://open.knome.fi/</a> Xubuntu contributor › <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://xubuntu.org/">https://xubuntu.org/</a> Xfce contributor › <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://xfce.org/">https://xfce.org/</a> Shimmer Project co-founder › <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://shimmerproject.org/">https://shimmerproject.org/</a> </pre> </body> </html>