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Hello Mark,<br>
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again, find my comments inline.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-08-23 01:05, Mark F wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Pasi wrote: """ <span
style="font-size:12.8px">That said, I don't understand how
such surveys could replace testimonials or how they are
comparable. """</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px">What I
am trying to get at is that testimonials and marketing imply
increasing "market" share. But, testimonials only query
those who are already sold -- not those who preferred a
different Xfce implementation.</span></div>
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You are right, the testimonials are from those who like Xubuntu.
That's why they are perfect for marketing purposes to tell
everybody else why they like Xubuntu.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px">A survey
would presumably ask people (the potential "market") what
they don't like about Xubuntu (why they chose a different
Xfce-based distro). I see it as a difference between the
proverbial "preaching to the choir" or expanding the target
audience (maybe hearing things that aren't wanted).</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px">What if
a survey were included with the ISO ("test drive")
environment? If someone chose to install a different distro,
they could have the opportunity to explain what about
Xubuntu they didn't like? (Or, what they liked about the
other distro.).</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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After running a survey like this, what would the expected action be?
Change Xubuntu in order to make the people who decided to use
something else happier with Xubuntu?<br>
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Taking the thought further, wouldn't changing Xubuntu mean that
Xubuntu could potentially lose some of the current users? What is
the point or benefit in getting new users while losing old ones?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px">It's
just a thought. </span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px">To me, I
would have installed MintX if it had Ubuntu's support
community. You said most of what I mentioned is
configurable. But, it's not very intuitive. If it were that
simple, why not include a "make-desktop-mint" command to set
the defaults for a MintX-like </span></div>
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Instead of making the user able to select between several default
desktop configurations built by somebody else, I think they should
rather be able to create their own. And they are you can take
Xubuntu and make it look like MintX and the other way if you have
the patience.<br>
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You say it is not very intuitive to configure the desktop. What do
you actually mean by this?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px">This
topic (testimonials and marketing) caught my eye because it
sounded like a desire to expand marketshare. But, maybe I
misread it. I suppose another valid way to look at it is:
"Xubuntu is what it is" and "we're looking for more people
who like it the way it is." Not so much concern for why
someone wouldn't want it the way it is (lost "market"
potential). <br>
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The latter is more true for Xubuntu. <br>
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All people contribute to Xubuntu do it because they like Xubuntu
(mostly as it is) as volunteers, without being paid, becaus they
are passionate about their cause. Considering that, I don't think
it's sensible to think that the Xubuntu team started doing something
that they don't believe in, just to gain more users at that point
they would have lost their passion.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Anyway,
I'm using it for now. I want to at least start with what I
feel is the more official Xfce distro. I just saw this topic
and thought I'd ask about marketing and the opposite of
testimonials. It seems like that could lead to insight into
how Xubuntu could appeal to more people. <br>
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For what it's worth, there is no "official Xfce distro". The Xfce
team is only working on the desktop environment (and some related
project) and does not favor any distribution over the other.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Pasi<br>
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Pasi Lallinaho (knome) <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://open.knome.fi/">http://open.knome.fi/</a>
Leader of Shimmer Project <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://shimmerproject.org/">http://shimmerproject.org/</a>
Xubuntu Website Lead <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://xubuntu.org/">http://xubuntu.org/</a></pre>
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